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Indicated Loading Positions #651

Open OldMachineNazara opened 2 weeks ago

OldMachineNazara commented 2 weeks ago

The issue. Currently, it can be very frustrating trying to make a gun fit in a tank due to the space needed to load the gun at any elevation. This is further compounded by the lack of necked casings.

What is an indicated loading position? To alleviate this both before the shell designer arrives and after, I propose the implementation of indicated loaded positions. Essentially, this makes it so that the gun must be loaded at a specific range of its elevation arc, say +0 to +3 degrees, rather than at any elevation which means you no longer need sometimes frankly absurd turret rings and other shenanigans to get the gun to fit. After firing, the player (or bot) could either manually or automatically return the gun to this indicated loading position before it can begin to reload. The player could set the elevation range of the indicated loading position in the same manner that you adjust the elevation limits of the gun.

Real life usage. Indicated loading positions are employed in tanks in real life, most necessarily in autoloaders such as the Leclerc or Type 90 where the loading conveyor is fixed and cannot move with the gun, but it is also used in manually loaded vehicles to help make it easier to reload, as doing so while the breech is currently touching the roof with no room for a shell behind it is not particularly easy. This is why in footage of tanks firing, sometimes their gun will move up or down to a different position before returning to the elevation they were firing at.

HomelessDumpster commented 2 weeks ago

There is a indicated loading position

IllyStable commented 2 weeks ago

But that's not what they're suggesting, they're suggesting something like in the T62, where the gun automatically or manually needs to be returned to a certain elevation to start reloading it.

IllyStable commented 2 weeks ago

This would be really cool, but I can't think off the top of my head of any WW2 tanks that had indicated loading postions, except maybe the IS-2 (?)

HomelessDumpster commented 2 weeks ago

But that's not what they're suggesting, they're suggesting something like in the T62, where the gun automatically or manually needs to be returned to a certain elevation to start reloading it.

Ah yeah makes sense. I actually talked with hamish about it a couple of months back on discord and he actually wants to add something very similar if not even exactly that

OldMachineNazara commented 1 week ago

This would be really cool, but I can't think off the top of my head of any WW2 tanks that had indicated loading postions, except maybe the IS-2 (?)

While I know of zero tanks from WW2 where this feature was automatic, it was something done manually by the crews on occasion. It was however used in naval vessels, particularly battleships, well before WW2, so it is hardly out of the question that a hypothetical WW2 vehicle could have the same system.

But that's not what they're suggesting, they're suggesting something like in the T62, where the gun automatically or manually needs to be returned to a certain elevation to start reloading it.

Ah yeah makes sense. I actually talked with hamish about it a couple of months back on discord and he actually wants to add something very similar if not even exactly that

Yes, this is what I mean.