Open japonicus opened 8 years ago
Note that the latter two cases appear to work now, and it is only the following that does not (i.e. when the user reverses the order of the parent taxa): "Carex elata x acuta"
relates to #16
@sacrevert @japonicus are there any particular rules I should follow when inverting the hybrid name order for searches? i.e. GENUS {NAME1} x {NAME2} SOMETHING ELSE
- is this the matter of just swapping NAME1
and NAME2
on the sides of the 'x'? Or are there other variations of this?
The only thing I can think of that might affect this is for the roses when the order of the names matters (because technically {NAME1}
is the female parent. In these cases the suffix (f x m)
or (female x male)
is appended, but I don't know whether this is technically part of the {NAME2}
string or not. Maybe this doesn't matter for this type of pattern matching however... @japonicus will have a more educated view!
Thanks for picking this up.
In general the hybrid name parts can be swapped with impunity. A few edge cases to consider would be:
Triple hybrids, e.g. Salix aurita x lapponum x herbacea
Hybrids with a hybrid parent, e.g. Populus x jackii x nigra - in this case the two swappable parts are 'x jackii' and 'nigra'
Hybrids with parents specified to an infra-specific level, e.g. Salix cinerea subsp. cinerea × subsp. oleifolia - where the two parts are 'subsp. cinerea' and 'subsp. oleifolia' Salix alba var vitellina × babylonica var. pekinensis - where the parts are 'alba var vitellina' and 'babylonica var. pekinensis'
My inclination would be to ignore the more complex cases and deal only with the simple form of 'species1' x 'species2' [x 'species3']. If the name doesn't match that pattern then don't swap the parts, as a more complex hybrids could easily be mangled in odd ways. e.g. Populus × canadensis 'Serotina' × x jackii is quite nasty
As @sacrevert noted, there are some roses where the hybrid parent order is significant and should not be reversed. These will have an '(f x m)' qualifier (short for female x male), fortunately I don't think these are included in the UKSI at present so can be ignored.
Again, not sure what implications are, but the (f x m) Rosa stuff is already in the UKSI and therefore iRecord. Note that I think that there are also some instances where the suffix is given as (female x male) rather than (f x m).
I think the f x m entries are all currently marked as synonyms (as in your screenshot) so wouldn't feature in the app.
Depending on how Chris interprets BSBI's recent UKSI revisions then the f x m names could come back as accepted names. I half wish I'd not resurrected them...
Essentially if a name includes the 'f x m' or 'female x male' qualifier then don't swap any hybrid parts. I don't think anyone using the app will actually want to enter (f x m) names in the field, so if/when the names return then possibly they might be excluded from the app dictionary altogether - but I'll raise a separate ticket for that, as there are probably other concepts that ought to be excluded as they would never be likely to be used validly for app based field recording.
A hybrid taxon such as: Carex acuta x elata = C. x prolixa
might reasonably be searched for using any of:
"Carex elata x acuta" "Carex x prolixa" "Carex prolixa"
these search terms do not currently result in any matches