[EN][Core][Mechanics] Buffs Stacking

[Illusie]

Reporter(Player/Character) Name: ----

Description: Buffs stacking.

Current behaviour: I watched right now in Battleground that Buffs can stack together here is screenshot proof: https://imgur.com/a/FN7xHL9

Blessing of Might + Unleashed Rage + Abomination's Might ALL Together.

Expected behaviour: If you put a buff that already someone else giving it. the Buff does not stack with the other.

~~For example If druid give Wild then right after Paladin give Kings (5% stats) the Wild will be replaced by Kings.~~

Followed by that list: https://www.cannotbetamed.com/2010/10/19/raid-buffs-updated-for-cataclysm/

Steps to reproduce the problem: kings/wild

1. Be in group with druid+paladin, put Wild with druid and after Wild put Kings
2. See if Kings replace Wild
3. vice versa

Steps to reproduce the problem: talents (like 20% AP)

1. Be in group with Enh shaman and BDk
2. see if Unleashed Rage appear in BDk frame & vice versa
3. watch if AP is increasing by more than 20%
4. add Paladin and put Might
5. see if there any changes in Attack Power values.

Edit: Read message 3# by Ilusie and message 6# by Illusie Ignore this one ^ it's already proved by NRG-Wow

[NRG-Wow]

The buffs that are auras are still visible but their effects wont stack together. The buffs will be replaced.

[Illusie]

I'm glad that the bug is just a visual. I wonder if there is system (working) on server for buff stacking. what I mean? If I remember well buff is stronger than talent.

Which means that If there is Blood dk with Abomination's Might and a Paladin use his buff Blessing of Might the Blessing of Might is 'stronger' than AbM and actually cancel it from the buff list.

Why I am asking for that? Because that can be confusing if all the buffs are shown(visuality) It can confuse people (Like me) specially players with spellsteal/purge/dispel when tracking buffs is one of their class purposes. If all the buffs appear that make a long...... list...... of buffs which can annoy to the eyes.

Since I don't have two or more characters I cannot test it myself by making 2 characters (Like realm-test ;p) Druid & Paladin and to see what happen if I put Wild and right after Kings and to see if the Wild gets off or still there. And also what happen if I dispel if the other buff from list is back & activated?

I would like if you will answer me about that, for my own concern and also for my concerns of PVP aspect. it shouldn't bother much in PVE ;]

~ have nice day.

[Babunibre]

Idea of buffs is: you may get buffed as your example Kings & Mark which will not stack or override the other one(so only one works at the time), but you are not losing them since they do exist. In you case of pvping if you are buffed by kings and mark you will have to dispel 2 times if you wish the target to lose 5% buff, while the auras you mentioned in above*Abomination can never be dispelled. Not sure if its helpful but it should work this way.

[thunderbolt94]

It works fine, its two buffs with same effect but different name so , when you dispel one of them other will work because it is another buff, that was druid paladin example, paladin - death knigh, abomination might is a talent and you can only dispel blessing of might,but death knight talent will remain active so you cant dispel it.

[Illusie]

you both sure about it? because I think you're wrong its can't be that you need 2 times to dispel to remove 5% stats. they should replace each other.

from Paragon first realm video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpBYiJzt2AI I can't see all buffs appear in the buff list.

from another pserver this what happen: https://imgur.com/a/n18ImUP

first screenshot - Wild from Druid second screenshot - Kings replaced Wild (vice versa too)

about Talents + Buff (Might) this what happen

https://imgur.com/a/oHIfiAd

first screenshot: paladin has kings and abomination's might from bdk second screenshot: paladin use Might and lose abomination's might from bdk (because AbM is talent.) third screenshot: blood dk buff list has might+abomination's might, (Might is buff AbM is talent) activated) fourth screenshot: enhancement shaman added. Shaman has his own talent+Might Bdk has his own talent+Might

now watch this: https://imgur.com/a/FN7xHL9

you see the Ehnacement also has talent provided by Bdk? this is wrong.

What NRG-Wow proved is that Might+AbM is not stacking. but he didn't proved that AbM+Unleashed Rage doesn't.

so My newest complain is

1. That it should not show all buffs and Talents.
2. Wild/Kings should replace each other.
3. if there 2 classes provide something and that something is Talent. the talent should not be shown on others frame.

The only source I could provide back than is this: https://www.cannotbetamed.com/2010/10/19/raid-buffs-updated-for-cataclysm/

but now I can also add this: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/534914-world-of-warcraft/56742200 and this https://wow.gamepedia.com/Blessing_of_Kings "It does not stack with [Embrace of the Shale Spider], [Legacy of the Emperor], or [Mark of the Wild]."

But I also said that I dont have druid + paladin on NRG so I can't know if they replace each other or not. I hope IT DOES but I need someone to prove it so please go ahead.

[thunderbolt94]

We tested it and it is not replacing each other,in raid, Buff is visually disappear because there are too many buffs but they are still there and you need to dispel them both

[Babunibre]

"I can't see all buffs appear in the buff list." There is a rule about buffs too, there are basically 10 fixed buffs which can be seen on your character including auras. Which when they are fullfilled all other buffs are going invisible to be seen but they should still be up there in the background.

[Illusie]

@thunderbolt94 " We tested it and it is not replacing each other,in raid, Buff is visually disappear because there are too many buffs "

and what about if its not in raid lets say in arena. and you haven't "too many buffs" problem there?

also you can see in the screenshots i posted i dont have "too many buffs" situation.

[thunderbolt94]

You will have two buffs, (kings and wilds) they will both be present , but not stacking stats (only one works) but you will need to dispel both of them

чет, 9. авг 2018. 10.45 Illusie notifications@github.com је написао/ла:

@thunderbolt94 https://github.com/thunderbolt94 We tested it and it is not replacing each other,in raid, Buff is visually disappear because there are too many buffs

and what about if its not in raid lets say in arena. and you haven't "too many buffs" problem there?

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[Illusie]

@thunderbolt94 what about https://wow.gamepedia.com/Blessing_of_Kings https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/534914-world-of-warcraft/56742200 https://blessingofkings.blogspot.com/2017/01/buff-spells-and-abilities.html http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Mark_of_the_Wild http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Blessing_of_Kings

all those links say clearly the buffs doesn't suppost to appear together.

[thunderbolt94]

Yeah i agree with you but i will search more info, this is old expansion, its harder to find

чет, 9. авг 2018. 10.50 Illusie notifications@github.com је написао/ла:

@thunderbolt94 https://github.com/thunderbolt94 what about https://wow.gamepedia.com/Blessing_of_Kings https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/534914-world-of-warcraft/56742200

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@thunderbolt94 https://github.com/thunderbolt94 what about https://wow.gamepedia.com/Blessing_of_Kings https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/534914-world-of-warcraft/56742200

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[thunderbolt94]

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Buff

Here it says : duplicate effects do not stack, but you can have multiple buffs

чет, 9. авг 2018. 10.55 Milos Ristic thunderbolt19949@gmail.com је написао/ла:

Yeah i agree with you but i will search more info, this is old expansion, its harder to find

чет, 9. авг 2018. 10.50 Illusie notifications@github.com је написао/ла:

@thunderbolt94 https://github.com/thunderbolt94 what about https://wow.gamepedia.com/Blessing_of_Kings https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/534914-world-of-warcraft/56742200

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@thunderbolt94 https://github.com/thunderbolt94 what about https://wow.gamepedia.com/Blessing_of_Kings https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/534914-world-of-warcraft/56742200

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09.08.2018. 10.55 пре подне, "Milos Ristic" thunderbolt19949@gmail.com је написао/ла:

Yeah i agree with you but i will search more info, this is old expansion, its harder to find

чет, 9. авг 2018. 10.50 Illusie notifications@github.com је написао/ла:

@thunderbolt94 https://github.com/thunderbolt94 what about https://wow.gamepedia.com/Blessing_of_Kings https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/534914-world-of-warcraft/56742200

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09.08.2018. 10.50 пре подне, "Illusie" notifications@github.com је написао/ла:

@thunderbolt94 https://github.com/thunderbolt94 what about https://wow.gamepedia.com/Blessing_of_Kings https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/534914-world-of-warcraft/56742200

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[Illusie]

dude if you just continued the quote...

here is the full quote: "There are 9 standard raid buffs, which are provided by a number of different abilities. Duplicate effects do not stack, but you can have multiple buffs. For example, [Mark of the Wild]'s increased stats do not stack with [Legacy of the Emperor], but [Mark of the Wild] does stack with [Power Word: Fortitude]."

replace Legacy of the Emperor with Blessing of the Kings, end of story. It means they do not stack which means you cannot put wild + kings at same time.

[Heroclassx]

Didnt really read everything, but idd the buffs are supposed to replace each other. If you buff Mark of the Wild while Blessing of Kings is up, blessing of kings is supposed to vanish and Mark of the wild should be up. This is espacially important in pvp becuase it is another global to dispel.

[Illusie]

@NRG-Wow

https://imgur.com/a/nqbcueA - indeed wrong.

I would say its high priority gamebreaking specialy in arenas. in pve its less important as long the stats not giving 5%+5%.

I recommend you to check all the buff stacking in the game followed by the List in 1# message. buffs that gives similar effect should replace each other.

If there two classes with talents that give same effect lets say 5% haste (boomy/spriest) and even if totem. one of them should be invisible as long they are in same range from each other. doesn't matter which one will be over the other. same for every other classes that provide same effects by talent (10% melee / 20% AP etc)

Or each class If you target him and look at his frame you see his own Talent. as the screenshots I provide above.

Thanks~