[CATA][Talents][Shaman] Totemic Wrath (Elemental)

[thunderbolt94]

Reporter(Player/Character) Name: Djeljana

Description: Totemic Wrath (Talent) will not overwrite Flametounge totem

Expected behaviour: Totemic Wrath (Talent) Should give its Buffs of 10% of spellpower when you put down Flametounge totem

Steps to reproduce the problem: 1.Put Down Flametounge totem 2.It will appear only Flametounge totem buff (6%) instead of Totemic Wrath (10%) spellpower bonus

Here is Reference at 0:55 he put Flametounge totem and he get buff Totemic wrath from the elemental talent tree, and this is from retail > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpSzD2T985c

[Wilcalaf]

Need to verify if its even a bug. if you a reference please provide in any case, there is no reason to use Flametongue totem when you have that talent. the whole purpose of that talent is to let you use another fire totem. which of them is supposed to be dominant? requires research. here you have a post saying that it did get overrided by flametongue on retail https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/2065567176

if you have a valid reference please provide it so you can help us with the research. thanks

[Bourne185]

Totemic Wrath does not affect the Flametongue Totem.

Here are my references.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Totemic_Wrath "Totemic Wrath applies to ALL Fire Totems, and renders [Flametongue Totem] utterly useless."

Also,

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Flametongue_Totem "Its effect is inferior to Totem of Wrath, and doesn't stack with it."

I other words, Totemic Wrath is not designed to affect Flametongue totem, and is only meant to buff the other totems. If you choose to use the Flametongue totem, thats up to you.

[thunderbolt94]

As you posted there, totemic wrath affects All fire totems, that include flametounge totem, not stacking with it, and when im a healer i dont want to use 1 min fire totem buff

сре, 8. авг 2018. 23.30 Bourne185 notifications@github.com је написао/ла:

Totemic Wrath does not affect the Flametongue Totem.

Here are my references.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Totemic_Wrath "Totemic Wrath applies to ALL Fire Totems, and renders [Flametongue Totem] utterly useless."

Also,

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Flametongue_Totem "Its effect is inferior to Totem of Wrath, and doesn't stack with it."

I other words, Totemic Wrath is not designed to affect Flametongue totem, and is only meant to buff the other totems. If you choose to use the Flametongue totem, thats up to you.

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[Bourne185]

And as i also stated, Totemic wrath renders flametongue useless and it doesnt stack

as in the buffs are not compatible, so the totemic wrath will not affect the flametongue totem at all.

[thunderbolt94]

No,i just checked when you put Flametounge totem it gives 6 % of spell power not 10 %, so its not affected by the Totemic Wrath, Flametounge totem needs to be replaced with totemic wrath talent. It gives you 5 min Totemic wrath buff (10%) spell power

[Bourne185]

I am telling you that the two effects do not stack. use a different totem. The flametonque totem does not activate totemic wrath. What i am saying is that you need to use a different totem to get the buff. Look at my posts, all of them say it renders flametongue useless

[Bourne185]

The affects cannot overwrite eachother, because they are the same effect.

[Bourne185]

try it on [Searing Totem], [Magma Totem] or [Fire Elemental Totem]

[thunderbolt94]

They give, i know that, but we are speaking of Flametounge totem, i say how it should work, not saying that you need to use it, noone force you to use Flametounge totem but i m saying it Should give the totemic wrath buff,

[Bourne185]

but all the references and research i have done disagrees with that statement. Due to the fact that they are the same effect, and that the effects clearly say they do not stack ( which means combine) one must take over the other. So when you place the totem, it is using its proper stat, not the talent stat. They do not combine.

[Babunibre]

"Totemic Wrath applies to ALL Fire Totems, and renders [Flametongue Totem] utterly useless. Other Shaman can safely drop [Searing Totem], [Magma Totem] or [Fire Elemental Totem] depending on the situation if this is present in the group. In addition, Totemic Wrath does not stack with a Demonology Warlock's [Demonic Pact]." As you said in your reference link,this is pretty reliable, first in the sentence you should see "ALL fire totems", which means all of the totems will get the talent buff(totemic Wrath). But than I think you are badly apprehending the meaning "utterly useless", which should mean you will get totemic wrath anyway so why would you in right mind use flametongue > wont give you anything since talent gives you the best. But it doesn't mean it wont / shouldn't give you totemic wrath. As stated its just useless or pointless to put it.

[thunderbolt94]

http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=185555/totems-buffs-and-you

Fire Flametongue Same buff as a mage's Arcane Brilliance. Inferior to and overwritten by an elemental shaman's Totemic Wrath or a demo lock's Demonic Pact.

DPS fire totem improved personal dps Bottom line: Elemental shaman can drop a dps totem to their heart's content, totemic wrath will provide the superior 10% SP buff. Resto will have to verify that the SP buff is covered before deciding which totem to drop, if you have an ele shaman, mage or demo lock skip Flamtongue and drop a dps totem. Enhance Shaman suffer a noticeable single target dps loss if they do not drop Searing Totem so I would not worry about the buff

[thunderbolt94]

Heres the proof

[thunderbolt94]

https://imgur.com/a/VTNW0fp

Here Are the pictures

[Babunibre]

I think you Illusie are still confused mate, this is not intended disccusion of totemic wrath being overwritten by some other flametongue buff from other Restoshaman or somebody else/whatsoever. Why he posted this bugg for is very simple: as Elemental shaman you should be able to put flametongue totem and gain Totemic Wrath talent nevertheless even if it render other specific attributes of flametongue totem to nothing. It has nothing to do with anything else(so far any other bugg with auras being replaced or whatsoever hasn't been detected). Simple thing: you are lazy to put searing totem every 1 minute, so you can put flametongue for 5min and just get basic 10% buff from it and not even one more thing as it render useless flametongue buff(so totem itself is useless since talent exists).

[Illusie]

Oh you talking only about Ele spec (the talent) you probably right. Flametongue is mostly used for Resto shamans to provide them 6% SP in Arenas

As Elemental spec with the talent you always should get Totemic Wrath. According to my knowledge stronger Aura always overwritten weaker aura. hf

[thunderbolt94]

Im Glad you understand now, xD HF

[Illusie]

my pleasure. I deleted older messages because I thought we talk about buff stacking in raid situation.

from atlantiss: https://imgur.com/a/GTSpgHv

I will still remain the link of my Buff stacking bug report to here #109

have nice day.