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NS2+ mod for Natural Selection 2
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Improve default NS2+ settings #10

Closed L-as closed 5 years ago

L-as commented 6 years ago

I've modified the default settings to match https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZRDf1C-gUQoiJ1XqZuqEmhooRPjsBzmd_CtEcoluOuM/edit#gid=0, where the preferred default is not debatable.

L-as commented 6 years ago

NB: I have not actually tested that this works.

L-as commented 6 years ago

@GhoulofGSG9 I added some more changes from the document, since no debate has happened about them.

I do however have one question: should the gorge spit change be done? It seems like a very big visual change to me for little benefit.

GhoulofGSG9 commented 6 years ago

Thanks for looking into this.

But I think the better way is to change things in stock ns2 as needed. Fixing the underlying issues by enabling the given ns2+ features most likely just ends confusing new players as the UI suddenly looks and behaves differently on some servers.

The long term goal is still to merge the most used features of ns2+ into vanilla anyway.

Handschuuh commented 5 years ago

@GhoulGSG9 I agree that it would be "nice" to have this in NS2. Still, I don't see any reason not to merge this right now since the main goal is to help rookies by giving them the same good options in order to lower the skillgap. Now! This is a much more pressing issue, compared the argument, that the "UI looks (a bit) different" In my opinion it doesn't count, since the UI already looks different with NS2+ without this PR.

Handschuuh commented 5 years ago

About [b]Gorge Spit:[/b] This is in my opinion a huge improvement for the gorge to be actually able to see where you shoot your spit. This will allow those rookie gorges to rise their [u]minimum amount of impact[/u] (even though rookies gorges will still have a really low impact). Not having this 'activated' is a huge disadvantage while you are gorging. And you are wasting a lot of potential. On the other side it is not like this would be a real balance change and every single player is already able to use this.

L-as commented 5 years ago

I completely disagree with your conclusion Handschuh. The gorge spit change is obviously beneficial, but it is an exploit. It sacrifices the aesthetic of the game to make it easier to play. Instead of making it the default, which would be a horrible choice IMHO, you should remove it entirely. People only use the gorge spit change because it gives them a competitive advantage, and thus others must use it too to keep up. Removing such exploits from the game will do it good, and make one's skill based on how well you play the game, and not whether you toggled some stupid option in the settings menu.

-------- Original Message -------- On 12 Nov 2018, 14:38, Handschuuh wrote:

About [b]Gorge Spit:[/b] This is in my opinion a huge improvement for the gorge to be actually able to see where you shoot your spit. This will allow those rookie gorges to rise their [u]minimum amount of impact[/u] (even though rookies gorges will still have a really low impact). Not having this 'activated' is a huge disadvantage while you are gorging. And you are wasting a lot of potential. On the other side it is not like this would be a real balance change and every single player is already able to use this.

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