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rbc.ru #260

Closed NanoMeow closed 5 years ago

NanoMeow commented 5 years ago

Basic Information

Test link: https://www.rbc.ru/ Category: anti-adblock Reported from: Russia Template version: 2

User Environment

Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:63.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0 Extension: Nano Defender 15.0.0.64

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ZaphodBeebblebrox commented 5 years ago

Fixed in russian filters.

NanoMeow commented 5 years ago

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Test link: https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5bd826899a7947a097b0a87d Category: anti-adblock Reported from: Kazakhstan Template version: 2

User Environment

Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/70.0.3538.77 Safari/537.36 Extension: Nano Defender 15.0.0.66

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NanoMeow commented 5 years ago

Basic Information

Test link: https://www.rbc.ru/ Category: anti-adblock Reported from: Russia Template version: 2

User Environment

Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:63.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0 Extension: Nano Defender 15.0.0.66

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NanoMeow commented 5 years ago

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Test link: https://www.rbc.ru/ Category: anti-adblock Reported from: United States Template version: 2

User Environment

Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/70.0.3538.77 Safari/537.36 Extension: Nano Defender 15.0.0.66

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jspenguin2017 commented 5 years ago

@okiehsch Tried Russian regional filter, doesn't seem to work. image

okiehsch commented 5 years ago

rbc.ru##+js(abort-on-property-read.js, RA.eventManager) but that breaks search.

okiehsch commented 5 years ago

Tried Russian regional filter

Adguard will not fix the issue, https://github.com/AdguardTeam/AdguardFilters/issues/24402

"AdGuard continues to fulfill its direct responsibility - to block ads and tracking. We cannot bypass the requirement of a paid subscription. Conventionally, we have the technical possibility of making Yandex music free for you to do, but we do not do it, it's just illegal."

jspenguin2017 commented 5 years ago

It's not a paywall, it doesn't appear if the page is whitelisted. It's not any different than other hard anti-adblock, except that this one shows a message that promote their paid subscription. image

okiehsch commented 5 years ago

I know, I don't understand that quote either, maybe something got lost in translation. I think a setTimeout filter will work without breaking search, I am looking for one.

okiehsch commented 5 years ago

rbc.ru##+js(setTimeout-defuser.js, t=null, 300) works for me.

okiehsch commented 5 years ago

Fixed.

okiehsch commented 5 years ago

It's not a paywall, it doesn't appear if the page is whitelisted.

off-topic @jspenguin2017 just as a follow up, adguard seems to define a paywall in a slightly different way, if an anti-adblock message gives the user the choice to pay instead of seeing ads, they consider it a paywall and will not circumvent it. https://github.com/AdguardTeam/AdguardFilters/issues/24208

jspenguin2017 commented 5 years ago

@okiehsch That is just ridiculous. Since the paywall doesn't show without AdGuard, can we say AdGuard is illegally placing paywalls on other people's websites?

okiehsch commented 5 years ago

They do it for legal reasons, there was a big case this year in germany and if you read the court decision, you can certainly make the argument that, if an adblocker is in a competitive relationship with publishers and therefore falls under competition law, it is illegal to circumvent anti-adblock messages by the publisher.

Why adguard concludes that there is a difference between an anti-adblock message that gives the user no choice and a message that gives the choice of paying is beyond me.

jspenguin2017 commented 5 years ago

I thought that was ABP charging publishers for whitelist, AdGuard isn't doing that though.

okiehsch commented 5 years ago

They are a company and as such are in a competitive relationship with publishers.

okiehsch commented 5 years ago

The court does not actually say it is illegal to circumvent anti-adblock messages by the publisher, because ABP does not circumvent anti-adblock messages in the first-place, but - if you read the full text - they certainly are open to the possibility that circumventing could be an unfair hindrance of the publishers product, i.e. giving users an unauthorized access of the content.