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Firmware for the Nitrokey Pro device
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[Question] Has the NitroKey Pro applied for RYF Certification? #48

Closed asddsaz closed 5 years ago

asddsaz commented 5 years ago

Question: Will the NitroKeys get RYF Certified?

jans23 commented 5 years ago

No, but we have OSHW certificate.

asddsaz commented 5 years ago

@jans23 Not to be rude, but you should really consider applying. The FSF has approved very few products and many people (including myself) would like to see more. You appear to meet all the requirements.

If you choose to, you may contact them here: licensing@fsf.org

jans23 commented 5 years ago

Smart cards in general aren't very open and wouldn't be eligible for RYF. But Nitrokey Start doesn't contain a smart card and therefore meets RYF criteria. In fact we applied Nitrokey Start for RYF but got rejected. FSF's justification was that only one certified product in the portfolio could confuse people. For me, it's a ridiculous reasoning.

asddsaz commented 5 years ago

@jans23 Thank you for the explanation. However, you stated that the FSF didn't want to only certify one product. Why is this, are not all Nitrokeys Free Software?

ghost commented 5 years ago

@asddsaz perhaps because of this paragraph:

To prevent confusion among customers about exactly what product has been certified, any other products offered by the seller, which are not certified by the FSF, must be easily distinguishable from certified products: their names must not be similar and their packaging must also not be similar.

https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/criteria

Regarding "are not all Nitrokeys Free Software?"

Smart cards in general aren't very open and wouldn't be eligible for RYF. But Nitrokey Start doesn't contain a smart card and therefore meets RYF criteria.

jans23 commented 5 years ago

According to FSF, our products containing a smart card aren't eligible, even though their firmware is free software.

ncorder commented 2 years ago

According to FSF, our products containing a smart card aren't eligible, even though their firmware is free software.

Is there a reason the smart cards would not be RYF compliant? 

User installation of modified software

The seller must give the user, along with the product software source code, the practical capability to install replacement software for any and all of the free software in the device. This means the product must have the requisite facilities to install software in the processors that run free software, and include adequate and sufficient documentation on how to use them. If software is required for this installation, it is considered part of the product software.

@jans23 Is it not possible to update the source code on the smart cards? What segment of the FSF's RYF criteria is NitroKey not compliant with?

-Thanks

jans23 commented 2 years ago

It's not possible to update OpenPGP Card's firmware and it's source code is not entirely published yet because APIs are under NDA.