Nitrux / maui-shell

Maui Shell is a convergent shell for desktops, tablets, and phones.
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Crash on startup #4

Closed Seqularise closed 2 years ago

Seqularise commented 2 years ago

I`m trying to run this on Arch. qt5 and kf5 from git

PKGBUILD ```pkgname=maui-shell pkgver=0.0.5 pkgrel=1 pkgdesc='Maui Shell is a convergent shell for desktops, tablets, and phones.' arch=(x86_64) url='https://github.com/Nitrux/maui-shell' license=(LGPL) depends=(extra-cmake-modules qt5-quickcontrols2 qt5-svg qt5-wayland qt5-declarative qt5-base knotifications kcoreaddons kconfig ki18n kservice kio mauikit) makedepends=(git extra-cmake-modules qt5-quickcontrols2 qt5-svg qt5-wayland qt5-declarative qt5-base knotifications kcoreaddons kconfig ki18n kservice kio mauikit) optdepends=() groups=(maui) source=(git+https://github.com/Nitrux/maui-shell) sha256sums=('SKIP') prepare() { mkdir -p build } build() { cmake -B build -S $pkgname \ -DCMAKE_INSTALL_LIBEXECDIR=lib \ -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr \ -DCMAKE_INSTALL_LIBDIR=lib \ -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug \ -DENABLE_BSYMBOLICFUNCTIONS=OFF \ -DQUICK_COMPILER=ON \ -DCMAKE_INSTALL_SYSCONFDIR=/etc \ -DCMAKE_INSTALL_LOCALSTATEDIR=/var \ -DCMAKE_FIND_PACKAGE_NO_PACKAGE_REGISTRY=ON \ -DCMAKE_INSTALL_RUNSTATEDIR=/run "-GUnix Makefiles" \ -DCMAKE_VERBOSE_MAKEFILE=ON cmake --build build } package() { DESTDIR="$pkgdir" cmake --install build } ```
backtrace ``` PID: 15039 (cask) UID: 1000 (seqularise) GID: 1000 (seqularise) Signal: 6 (ABRT) Timestamp: Mon 2021-12-27 21:55:05 +05 (18min ago) Command Line: /usr/bin/cask Executable: /usr/bin/cask Control Group: /user.slice/user-1000.slice/session-5.scope Unit: session-5.scope Slice: user-1000.slice Session: 5 Owner UID: 1000 (seqularise) Boot ID: 68a9d84e2a92406aaa282e38421c99c3 Machine ID: 3d1d1aff2a4045609832dc66354dc50a Hostname: desktop Storage: /var/lib/systemd/coredump/core.cask.1000.68a9d84e2a92406aaa282e38421c99c3.15039.1640624105000000.zst (present) Disk Size: 4.0M Message: Process 15039 (cask) of user 1000 dumped core. 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Module libKF5DBusAddons.so.5 with build-id c7c589d9880879b6e03c8323fa0ac8c14beccf40 Module libQt5Xml.so.5 with build-id a2eee17e83a8de81a8e5d4d3322d4480c48bb633 Module libKF5I18n.so.5 with build-id 41c9cced35b1109b676b528ae459afbb1e357659 Module libKF5CoreAddons.so.5 with build-id b132df4e64c3e3a1af0aea0ab4a157dbd598abb0 Module libQt5QuickTemplates2.so.5 with build-id af6a2d55b037196d4e1d611b4f319cf43921c58c Module libgcc_s.so.1 with build-id 7f8508bb914546ada778809b64b99d234337d835 Module libm.so.6 with build-id 2b8fd1f869ecab4e0b55e92f2f151897f6818acf Module libGL.so.1 with build-id 912ac4f37a9fa2d5abcf7a9088c9983cfe46f12a Module libxkbcommon.so.0 with build-id 1f1bc7527e57c886c3df5803068122e1971d4724 Module libwayland-server.so.0 with build-id 645526447334b85a6f4bf5a8b37737b27696365f Module libpthread.so.0 with build-id 07c8f95b4f3251d08550217ad8a1f31066229996 Module libQt5Network.so.5 with build-id 99d82444b51591b709bf25f3db2685990f90d571 Module libQt5QmlModels.so.5 with build-id a21788c053e9632d3c3a9eb787d1eea2a8cea07a Module libc.so.6 with build-id 4b406737057708c0e4c642345a703c47a61c73dc Module libstdc++.so.6 with build-id 9b5eeeb149bf3c4efe787fb398b44f00507aec87 Module libQt5Core.so.5 with build-id 44549500a278f204769c56101ff541211178db0b Module libQt5Gui.so.5 with build-id ed305c4dbd8e10b81b3d8d0afb6ebb7e87994797 Module libQt5Qml.so.5 with build-id 464987c75ca4eb4c5638723d805411474b778fcb Module libQt5Quick.so.5 with build-id cd360799218e3799a7633617e57b6d7d4e3280bc Module libKF5ConfigCore.so.5 with build-id c4c788ca7944312956482530e5ba0c2ba2be2ed3 Module libKF5Service.so.5 with build-id 5dca245d10044b0e94d2005d22f5b07cabd27a49 Module libQt5QuickControls2.so.5 with build-id a3467ef5144001b4ee88b1530a20dcf987c81d71 Module libQt5WaylandCompositor.so.5 with build-id 144b4a81ac9d9807340cf09635a214c055236a30 Module cask with build-id e7dd106732c96d8961d2313c09ce0f258332f110 Stack trace of thread 15039: #0 0x00007f082938dd22 raise (libc.so.6 + 0x3cd22) #1 0x00007f0829377862 abort (libc.so.6 + 0x26862) #2 0x00007f08297c5af0 qt_message_fatal (libQt5Core.so.5 + 0x92af0) #3 0x00007f08297c4da0 _Z9qt_assertPKcS0_i (libQt5Core.so.5 + 0x91da0) #4 0x000055b2e53220cb _ZN5QListIP7QObjectE5firstEv (cask + 0xa0cb) #5 0x00007f0829378b25 __libc_start_main (libc.so.6 + 0x27b25) #6 0x000055b2e5325a5e _start (cask + 0xda5e) Stack trace of thread 15043: #0 0x00007f082910d8ca __futex_abstimed_wait_common64 (libpthread.so.0 + 0x158ca) #1 0x00007f0829107270 pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 (libpthread.so.0 + 0xf270) #2 0x00007f082385acdc n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1e1cdc) #3 0x00007f082385352c n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1da52c) #4 0x00007f0829101259 start_thread (libpthread.so.0 + 0x9259) #5 0x00007f082944f5e3 __clone (libc.so.6 + 0xfe5e3) Stack trace of thread 15059: #0 0x00007f082910d8ca __futex_abstimed_wait_common64 (libpthread.so.0 + 0x158ca) #1 0x00007f0829107270 pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 (libpthread.so.0 + 0xf270) #2 0x00007f082385acdc n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1e1cdc) #3 0x00007f082385352c n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1da52c) #4 0x00007f0829101259 start_thread (libpthread.so.0 + 0x9259) #5 0x00007f082944f5e3 __clone (libc.so.6 + 0xfe5e3) Stack trace of thread 15048: #0 0x00007f082910d8ca __futex_abstimed_wait_common64 (libpthread.so.0 + 0x158ca) #1 0x00007f0829107270 pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 (libpthread.so.0 + 0xf270) #2 0x00007f082385acdc n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1e1cdc) #3 0x00007f082385352c n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1da52c) #4 0x00007f0829101259 start_thread (libpthread.so.0 + 0x9259) #5 0x00007f082944f5e3 __clone (libc.so.6 + 0xfe5e3) Stack trace of thread 15053: #0 0x00007f082910d8ca __futex_abstimed_wait_common64 (libpthread.so.0 + 0x158ca) #1 0x00007f0829107270 pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 (libpthread.so.0 + 0xf270) #2 0x00007f082385acdc n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1e1cdc) #3 0x00007f082385352c n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1da52c) #4 0x00007f0829101259 start_thread (libpthread.so.0 + 0x9259) #5 0x00007f082944f5e3 __clone (libc.so.6 + 0xfe5e3) Stack trace of thread 15046: #0 0x00007f082910d8ca __futex_abstimed_wait_common64 (libpthread.so.0 + 0x158ca) #1 0x00007f0829107270 pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 (libpthread.so.0 + 0xf270) #2 0x00007f082385acdc n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1e1cdc) #3 0x00007f082385352c n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1da52c) #4 0x00007f0829101259 start_thread (libpthread.so.0 + 0x9259) #5 0x00007f082944f5e3 __clone (libc.so.6 + 0xfe5e3) Stack trace of thread 15042: #0 0x00007f082910d8ca __futex_abstimed_wait_common64 (libpthread.so.0 + 0x158ca) #1 0x00007f0829107270 pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 (libpthread.so.0 + 0xf270) #2 0x00007f082385acdc n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1e1cdc) #3 0x00007f082385352c n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1da52c) #4 0x00007f0829101259 start_thread (libpthread.so.0 + 0x9259) #5 0x00007f082944f5e3 __clone (libc.so.6 + 0xfe5e3) Stack trace of thread 15052: #0 0x00007f082910d8ca __futex_abstimed_wait_common64 (libpthread.so.0 + 0x158ca) #1 0x00007f0829107270 pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 (libpthread.so.0 + 0xf270) #2 0x00007f082385acdc n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1e1cdc) #3 0x00007f082385352c n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1da52c) #4 0x00007f0829101259 start_thread (libpthread.so.0 + 0x9259) #5 0x00007f082944f5e3 __clone (libc.so.6 + 0xfe5e3) Stack trace of thread 15050: #0 0x00007f082910d8ca __futex_abstimed_wait_common64 (libpthread.so.0 + 0x158ca) #1 0x00007f0829107270 pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 (libpthread.so.0 + 0xf270) #2 0x00007f082385acdc n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1e1cdc) #3 0x00007f082385352c n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1da52c) #4 0x00007f0829101259 start_thread (libpthread.so.0 + 0x9259) #5 0x00007f082944f5e3 __clone (libc.so.6 + 0xfe5e3) Stack trace of thread 15041: #0 0x00007f082910d8ca __futex_abstimed_wait_common64 (libpthread.so.0 + 0x158ca) #1 0x00007f0829107270 pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 (libpthread.so.0 + 0xf270) #2 0x00007f082385acdc n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1e1cdc) #3 0x00007f082385352c n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1da52c) #4 0x00007f0829101259 start_thread (libpthread.so.0 + 0x9259) #5 0x00007f082944f5e3 __clone (libc.so.6 + 0xfe5e3) Stack trace of thread 15049: #0 0x00007f082910d8ca __futex_abstimed_wait_common64 (libpthread.so.0 + 0x158ca) #1 0x00007f0829107270 pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 (libpthread.so.0 + 0xf270) #2 0x00007f082385acdc n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1e1cdc) #3 0x00007f082385352c n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1da52c) #4 0x00007f0829101259 start_thread (libpthread.so.0 + 0x9259) #5 0x00007f082944f5e3 __clone (libc.so.6 + 0xfe5e3) Stack trace of thread 15045: #0 0x00007f082910d8ca __futex_abstimed_wait_common64 (libpthread.so.0 + 0x158ca) #1 0x00007f0829107270 pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 (libpthread.so.0 + 0xf270) #2 0x00007f082385acdc n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1e1cdc) #3 0x00007f082385352c n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1da52c) #4 0x00007f0829101259 start_thread (libpthread.so.0 + 0x9259) #5 0x00007f082944f5e3 __clone (libc.so.6 + 0xfe5e3) Stack trace of thread 15056: #0 0x00007f082910d8ca __futex_abstimed_wait_common64 (libpthread.so.0 + 0x158ca) #1 0x00007f0829107270 pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 (libpthread.so.0 + 0xf270) #2 0x00007f082385acdc n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1e1cdc) #3 0x00007f082385352c n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1da52c) #4 0x00007f0829101259 start_thread (libpthread.so.0 + 0x9259) #5 0x00007f082944f5e3 __clone (libc.so.6 + 0xfe5e3) Stack trace of thread 15051: #0 0x00007f082910d8ca __futex_abstimed_wait_common64 (libpthread.so.0 + 0x158ca) #1 0x00007f0829107270 pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 (libpthread.so.0 + 0xf270) #2 0x00007f082385acdc n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1e1cdc) #3 0x00007f082385352c n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1da52c) #4 0x00007f0829101259 start_thread (libpthread.so.0 + 0x9259) #5 0x00007f082944f5e3 __clone (libc.so.6 + 0xfe5e3) Stack trace of thread 15063: #0 0x00007f0829444b2f __poll (libc.so.6 + 0xf3b2f) #1 0x00007f082654b749 n/a (libglib-2.0.so.0 + 0xa8749) #2 0x00007f08264f4c11 g_main_context_iteration (libglib-2.0.so.0 + 0x51c11) #3 0x00007f0829a5f31a _ZN20QEventDispatcherGlib13processEventsE6QFlagsIN10QEventLoop17ProcessEventsFlagEE (libQt5Core.so.5 + 0x32c31a) #4 0x00007f0829a0102b _ZN10QEventLoop4execE6QFlagsINS_17ProcessEventsFlagEE (libQt5Core.so.5 + 0x2ce02b) #5 0x00007f0829806826 _ZN7QThread4execEv (libQt5Core.so.5 + 0xd3826) #6 0x00007f0828b16b0c _ZN22QDBusConnectionManager3runEv (libQt5DBus.so.5 + 0x14b0c) #7 0x00007f0829807a8b _ZN14QThreadPrivate5startEPv (libQt5Core.so.5 + 0xd4a8b) #8 0x00007f0829101259 start_thread (libpthread.so.0 + 0x9259) #9 0x00007f082944f5e3 __clone (libc.so.6 + 0xfe5e3) Stack trace of thread 15060: #0 0x00007f082910d8ca __futex_abstimed_wait_common64 (libpthread.so.0 + 0x158ca) #1 0x00007f0829107270 pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 (libpthread.so.0 + 0xf270) #2 0x00007f082385acdc n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1e1cdc) #3 0x00007f082385352c n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1da52c) #4 0x00007f0829101259 start_thread (libpthread.so.0 + 0x9259) #5 0x00007f082944f5e3 __clone (libc.so.6 + 0xfe5e3) Stack trace of thread 15047: #0 0x00007f082910d8ca __futex_abstimed_wait_common64 (libpthread.so.0 + 0x158ca) #1 0x00007f0829107270 pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 (libpthread.so.0 + 0xf270) #2 0x00007f082385acdc n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1e1cdc) #3 0x00007f082385352c n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1da52c) #4 0x00007f0829101259 start_thread (libpthread.so.0 + 0x9259) #5 0x00007f082944f5e3 __clone (libc.so.6 + 0xfe5e3) Stack trace of thread 15062: #0 0x00007f0829444b2f __poll (libc.so.6 + 0xf3b2f) #1 0x00007f082654b749 n/a (libglib-2.0.so.0 + 0xa8749) #2 0x00007f08264f4c11 g_main_context_iteration (libglib-2.0.so.0 + 0x51c11) #3 0x00007f0829a5f31a _ZN20QEventDispatcherGlib13processEventsE6QFlagsIN10QEventLoop17ProcessEventsFlagEE (libQt5Core.so.5 + 0x32c31a) #4 0x00007f0829a0102b _ZN10QEventLoop4execE6QFlagsINS_17ProcessEventsFlagEE (libQt5Core.so.5 + 0x2ce02b) #5 0x00007f0829806826 _ZN7QThread4execEv (libQt5Core.so.5 + 0xd3826) #6 0x00007f082a6e8b7d _ZN17QQmlThreadPrivate3runEv (libQt5Qml.so.5 + 0x32cb7d) #7 0x00007f0829807a8b _ZN14QThreadPrivate5startEPv (libQt5Core.so.5 + 0xd4a8b) #8 0x00007f0829101259 start_thread (libpthread.so.0 + 0x9259) #9 0x00007f082944f5e3 __clone (libc.so.6 + 0xfe5e3) Stack trace of thread 15054: #0 0x00007f082910d8ca __futex_abstimed_wait_common64 (libpthread.so.0 + 0x158ca) #1 0x00007f0829107270 pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 (libpthread.so.0 + 0xf270) #2 0x00007f082385acdc n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1e1cdc) #3 0x00007f082385352c n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1da52c) #4 0x00007f0829101259 start_thread (libpthread.so.0 + 0x9259) #5 0x00007f082944f5e3 __clone (libc.so.6 + 0xfe5e3) Stack trace of thread 15061: #0 0x00007f082910d8ca __futex_abstimed_wait_common64 (libpthread.so.0 + 0x158ca) #1 0x00007f0829107270 pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 (libpthread.so.0 + 0xf270) #2 0x00007f082385acdc n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1e1cdc) #3 0x00007f082385352c n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1da52c) #4 0x00007f0829101259 start_thread (libpthread.so.0 + 0x9259) #5 0x00007f082944f5e3 __clone (libc.so.6 + 0xfe5e3) Stack trace of thread 15044: #0 0x00007f082910d8ca __futex_abstimed_wait_common64 (libpthread.so.0 + 0x158ca) #1 0x00007f0829107270 pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 (libpthread.so.0 + 0xf270) #2 0x00007f082385acdc n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1e1cdc) #3 0x00007f082385352c n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1da52c) #4 0x00007f0829101259 start_thread (libpthread.so.0 + 0x9259) #5 0x00007f082944f5e3 __clone (libc.so.6 + 0xfe5e3) Stack trace of thread 15057: #0 0x00007f082910d8ca __futex_abstimed_wait_common64 (libpthread.so.0 + 0x158ca) #1 0x00007f0829107270 pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 (libpthread.so.0 + 0xf270) #2 0x00007f082385acdc n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1e1cdc) #3 0x00007f082385352c n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1da52c) #4 0x00007f0829101259 start_thread (libpthread.so.0 + 0x9259) #5 0x00007f082944f5e3 __clone (libc.so.6 + 0xfe5e3) Stack trace of thread 15055: #0 0x00007f082910d8ca __futex_abstimed_wait_common64 (libpthread.so.0 + 0x158ca) #1 0x00007f0829107270 pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 (libpthread.so.0 + 0xf270) #2 0x00007f082385acdc n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1e1cdc) #3 0x00007f082385352c n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1da52c) #4 0x00007f0829101259 start_thread (libpthread.so.0 + 0x9259) #5 0x00007f082944f5e3 __clone (libc.so.6 + 0xfe5e3) Stack trace of thread 15058: #0 0x00007f082910d8ca __futex_abstimed_wait_common64 (libpthread.so.0 + 0x158ca) #1 0x00007f0829107270 pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 (libpthread.so.0 + 0xf270) #2 0x00007f082385acdc n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1e1cdc) #3 0x00007f082385352c n/a (radeonsi_dri.so + 0x1da52c) #4 0x00007f0829101259 start_thread (libpthread.so.0 + 0x9259) #5 0x00007f082944f5e3 __clone (libc.so.6 + 0xfe5e3) ELF object binary architecture: AMD x86-64 ```
dominichayesferen commented 2 years ago

For the record, you're using mauikit master, right? Maui Shell doesn't support the current stable release of MauiKit, being 2.1.0.

Seqularise commented 2 years ago

Oops, didnt noticed that. Now it works except for the mouse and keyboard, -plugin libinput or -plugin EvdevKeyboard doesnt help. Any advices?

dominichayesferen commented 2 years ago

You need to be in the input group.

Seqularise commented 2 years ago

Yeay, works fully now. Tray looks cool btw, looking forward to see this in real action