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Discord server for quick support and discussions #554

Open sgdc3 opened 6 years ago

sgdc3 commented 6 years ago

Wouldn't make sense to create a discord server for NCP?

asofold commented 6 years ago

I can't even do IRC at present... so how would anyone benefit from discord?

sgdc3 commented 6 years ago

Discord is more user friendly and easier to use, it has builtin chat log. Irc is part of the past, almost any mc related project has a discord server nowadays.

Janmm14 commented 6 years ago

Discord has a good gui, chat log, allows pinging users, has push notifications, link preview, file upload, shows current game. accessible easily through mobile phone, web browser and dedicated desktop app. is free, hides ips, has optional voice and/or video chat.

sgdc3 commented 6 years ago

@asofold yeah, it would speedup a lot the feedback process

sgdc3 commented 6 years ago

I created a discord server for ncp with some roles and channels already set up: https://discord.gg/umuxCpq if @asofold joins it i'll set him as owner.

asofold commented 6 years ago

@sgdc3 Thank you for the effort :). It may be a bit quick, because i am not too sure about those kind of applications.

Most important concerns are:

So for 'chatting with people' IRC could be used via browser/app too.

Exchanging files may be a little more difficult, but can't github be used for public content, even with mobile devices?

I could understand that it's interesting to send in files that are not to be made public - those could though be sent via email (with dane preferably) or even by IRC, provided they use TLS.

As far as i understand it, i'm not on IRC most of the time and we should have a history thing there - this can be improved to some point, but i can't really be around too much of time. spigot IRC still is a place where some people with knowledge of NCP connect to.

So all in all i'd probably not use discord just for a fancier interface.

sgdc3 commented 6 years ago

1) I don't think privacy is a problem if we keep the discussion on topic (plugin development/support) 2) Discord can be used via browser. 3) Voice is an extra, not a key feature (video is only possible via direct calls, not in servers)

Normal people stopped using IRC, as it is complicated to use and less user-friendly. Discord has chat log, IRC doesn't without extra setup. File sharing cam ne useful to share configs to provide supports to users, or to share screenshoots, and no, emails are too slow. If you want to improve the interaction with other devs/plugin users discord is an important step, many other project switched to it. (Paper, ProtocolSupport, ViaVersion, LuckPerms, CoreProtect, AuthMe, WorldEdit/WorldGuard and many others.) It is also possible to setup an IRC bot, which links the discord chat with an irc channel, but the interaction via the discord UI is way better.

asofold commented 6 years ago

So privacy is a problem of other people? :p

I hardly have time for IRC, how could such become better with voice chat?

Sharing config ideas could be nice, but i'm not the one who can test much anyway, if it's about pvp for instance. Besides they're also sharable via spigotmc/github/(irc) ... but let's not stick to one aspect here.

I understand that discord is an interesting platform with a mixture of features that make interaction more simple in theory :).

asofold commented 6 years ago

@SpacePuppeh I did not intend to be perceived too harsh here ... the privacy part rather was pointing at statements like 'I don't think privacy is a problem if we keep the discussion on topic (plugin development/support)'.

Naturally a company may still connect (illegal or half-legal or legal) ips to user behavior, including private messages and file transfers. They could scan all and create a hell of meta data - IN THEORY :), in addition to servers/company being on so and so country ground.

At some point 'hacking' and providing cheat code could become problematic, or authorities decide to pursue a certain cheater :p.

Don't take me wrong, most of the chat channel is public on IRC as well, but you still have TLS encryption and private chat, which may be more trustable, if servers are run by the spigot team.

Yet you can't really know .... :p ... if i had to run my own server, i'd also have to do the administration and security hardening and so on ... so in the end it's some kind of trade-off.

(I'm not refering to top hackers or something, it's just if for instance Microsoft decides that they have to pursue so and so abstract entity, things could happen.)

It's not impossible to use discord, especially with a chat bot and so on - in any case i'd probably first ensure i have some kind of concept for IRC (ensure nick doesn't reset after a week of absence :p), then see how/if we want to extend upon that.

RoboMWM commented 6 years ago

I prefer IRC, dumcord consumes too many hardware resources to my liking (their app is just a web app as well, no difference there) amongst many other inflexibilities. If this is ever officially implemented, there needs to be a bridge to the IRC channel

Also agreed that voice chat is totally useless for public project discussion. Even most plugin dumcords have no voice channels.