Esoteric Blade Condensed Energy doesn't change Crit Range when Mutli Classed with a Kineticist

[Gyrados15]

So I was testing out a Legend Build: 20 Levels in Duelist and 20 in Esoteric Blade giving some juicy 40D6 Base Damage per Blast/ Smack

However it seems that the Condensed Energy ability then doesn't take effect, I can copy the appearance of the blade with no problem just not the crit range.

With the Trickster Feats, Sigil of Destruction Ring, the Flawless Physical belt and the Fighter Capestone I got it to 15-20 X5 which is still mental in of itself but the more mental the merrier XD

[NosVladimir]

Thanks for reporting, will look into this

[NosVladimir]

Edited, this calculation was wrong...

Which type of weapon are you tring to shape into? I can test again and see if anything goes wrong.

[Gyrados15]

hmmm I see, so it might be a bug with the Void Blades specifically then, I didn't realise this yesterday, but see below the differences between Composite Void and the Basic Negative Blade:

[NosVladimir]

I see, that's beacuse condensed energy only applies to energy blades, and doesn't have effect on physical or composite blades

[Gyrados15]

Ah I see ok that makes sense then , Thanks 🙏🏼

On Thu, 04 Jul 2024, 18:03 Weixi Zhang, @.***> wrote:

I see, that's beacuse condensed energy only applies to energy blades, and doesn't have effect on physical or composite blades

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[Gyrados15]

Sorry to Bug you again, this time with Flame Blade and Blue Flame Blade, in the UI it's calculating correctly :

I'm using this Sawtooth as the Copied Weapon :

but when I score a Crit the Game is working it out as 4 X only :

I tried with the Lions Claw Falcta aswell, same result, UI calculating correctly but when I score a Crit it's only 4X

[NosVladimir]

Indeed a bug, will investigate more.

For reproducing the issue, what are all the sources of critical multipliers, in theory? AFAIK there is +1x from trickster feat, +1x from fighter capstone, and what's the final one that should make it into x5?

[Gyrados15]

So I've got the Sigil of destruction,the Flawless Blet,the Normal Crit Feat,The Mythic Crit Feat,All the trickster Feats then the Fighter Capstone

On Fri, 05 Jul 2024, 12:09 Weixi Zhang, @.***> wrote:

Indeed a bug, will investigate more.

For reproducing the issue, what are all the sources of critical multipliers, in theory? AFAIK there is +1x from trickster feat, +1x from fighter capstone, and what's the final one that should make it into x5?

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[NosVladimir]

Okay thanks. Will test and fix tonight or tomorrow

[Gyrados15]

Epic thanks.

Kind Regards

Gary Shaw

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Okay thanks. Will test and fix tonight or tomorrow

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[NosVladimir]

First of all I need to correct a mistake I made in a previous reply: the base crit of kinetic blades is 20 x2, not 19-20 x2. Below is a table of how the crit range/multiplier changes on the UI after sequentially adding a particular feat/equipment and shaping into the said weapon:	After adding feat/equipment	Base kinetic blade	Rapier	Sawtooth Sabre	Falcata	Lions Heart
Condensed Energy (equal to base crit of said weapon)	20 x2	18-20 x2	19-20 x2	19-20 x3	18-20 x3
Sigil of destruction	19-20 x2	17-20 x2	18-20 x2	18-20 x3	17-20 x3
Improved critical (kinetic blast)	18-20 x2	16-20 x2	17-20 x2	17-20 x3	16-20 x3
Improved Improved critical (kinetic blast)	17-20 x2	15-20 x2	16-20 x2	16-20 x3	15-20 x3
Improved Improved Improved critical (kinetic blast)	16-20 x2	14-20 x2	15-20 x2	15-20 x3	14-20 x3
Flawless Belt of Physical Perfection +8	15-20 x2	13-20 x2	14-20 x2	14-20 x3	13-20 x3
Improved Improved Improved critical improved (kinetic blast)	15-20 x3	13-20 x3	14-20 x3	14-20 x4	13-20 x4
Up to here everything works correctly	--------	--------	--------	--------	--------
Fighter capstone (kinetic blast)	15-20 x4	13-20 x4	14-20 x4	14-20 x5 but dmg is only x4	13-20 x5 but dmg is only x4
Improved critical mythic (kinetic blast)	15-20 x5 but dmg is only x4	13-20 x5 but dmg is only x4	14-20 x5 but dmg is only x4	14-20 x6 but dmg is only x4	13-20 x6 but dmg is only x4

Now we can really see the problem. There seems to be a cap on the critical multiplier of kinetic blasts/blades that makes them can't go any further beyond x4. I've tested a normal ranged blast under the same conditions and it's also capped at x4.

This is the least understandable thing I've seen in a while. I know base game kineticists already have a ton of bugs, but this, this is just nonsense. I'll see if there is anything I can do with it. Good catch by you!

[Gyrados15]

Huh now that's quite something thanks for the details listed so far!

On Sat, 06 Jul 2024, 00:03 Weixi Zhang, @.***> wrote:

First of all I need to correct a mistake I made in a previous reply: the base crit of kinetic blades is 20 x2, not 19-20 x2. Below is a table of how the crit range/multiplier changes on the UI after sequentially adding a particular feat/equipment and shaping into the said weapon: After adding feat/equipment Base kinetic blade Rapier Sawtooth Sabre Falcata Lions Heart Condensed Energy (equal to base crit of said weapon) 20 x2 18-20 x2 19-20 x2 19-20 x3 18-20 x3 Sigil of destruction 19-20 x2 17-20 x2 18-20 x2 18-20 x3 17-20 x3 Improved critical (kinetic blast) 18-20 x2 16-20 x2 17-20 x2 17-20 x3 16-20 x3 Improved Improved critical (kinetic blast) 17-20 x2 15-20 x2 16-20 x2 16-20 x3 15-20 x3 Improved Improved Improved critical (kinetic blast) 16-20 x2 14-20 x2 15-20 x2 15-20 x3 14-20 x3 Flawless Belt of Physical Perfection +8 15-20 x2 13-20 x2 14-20 x2 14-20 x3 13-20 x3 Improved Improved Improved critical improved (kinetic blast) 15-20 x3 13-20 x3 14-20 x3 14-20 x4 13-20 x4 Up to here everything works correctly -------- -------- -------- --------

Fighter capstone (kinetic blast) 15-20 x4 13-20 x4 14-20 x4 14-20 x5 but dmg is only x4 13-20 x5 but dmg is only x4 Improved critical mythic (kinetic blast) 15-20 x5 but dmg is only x4 13-20 x5 but dmg is only x4 14-20 x5 but dmg is only x4 14-20 x6 but dmg is only x4 13-20 x6 but dmg is only x4

Now we can really see the problem. There seems to be a cap on the critical multiplier of kinetic blasts/blades that makes them can't go any further beyond x4. I've tested a normal ranged blast under the same conditions and it's also capped at x4.

This is the least understandable thing I've seen in a while. I know base game kineticists already have a ton of bugs, but this, this is just nonsense. I'll see if there is anything I can do with it. Good catch by you!

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