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ORPHA:90076 - Partial deep dermal and full thickness burns #92

Closed OrphanetSwitzerland closed 1 month ago

OrphanetSwitzerland commented 1 year ago

Hello,

A doubt discussed in the Swiss Coding Working Group:

In which context would you recommend the use of the code ORPHA:90076 - Partial deep dermal and full thickness burns?

As there is no definition of the entity, how to assess if a patient can be assigned such a code? Is there a minimum percentage of the body surface that has to be burned at this degree (in the German name it is degree IIB and/or III)?

Thanks

MCecile-US14 commented 1 year ago

Dear @OrphanetSwitzerland,

ORPHA:90076 'Partial deep dermal and full thickness burns' is a particular clinical situation entity (UE Orphan designation) for which there is not definition available yet.​

We cannot provide more detailed specifications regarding the use of the code as it is responsability of each country to clarify/specify their own recommendations based on existing patient/ context and national regulation of clinical trials/orphan designation context. If more details needed we advice to check the clinical trials (4) and research project (1) referenced in the Orphanet website for this entity.

Kind Regards, Marie-Cécile

OrphanetSwitzerland commented 5 months ago

As a follow-up of yesterday’s coding open session, I include here the question from the Swiss coding group: Despite the previous answer, it is not clear yet the scope of this code, why it was created and how to use it. Thanks

OrphanetSwitzerland commented 4 months ago

Kind reminder.

With some added info: The coder asked the head physician for plastic surgery concerning the entity and here is the answer: “It's difficult for me to answer that because I'm not clear what the purpose or consequence is. In principle, if you take them all, 2b and 3 injuries are too common to be considered rare diseases, I think. If you want to make it meaningful, then perhaps all 3rd degree plus all second degree (2a to 3) from over 10% body surface area affected”.

MCecile-US14 commented 1 month ago

Dear @OrphanetSwitzerland,

Sorry for delayed answer, I reviewed the case based on your question and the comments from the coder and the physician, unfortunately I do not have much more information to provide than:

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To conclude, I am not sure to understand what is the point and difficulty of the physician and coder to use ORPHA:90076 ? is the problem it refers to ICD-10 code that is only 3rd degree burns (but NTBT alignment with the ORPHAcode)?

Hope this helps, Kind Regards, Marie-Cécile

OrphanetSwitzerland commented 1 month ago

Merci, Marie-Cécile. I will share your answer with the group of coders. And all the best for the future! It was a pleasure working with you.

MCecile-US14 commented 1 month ago

Merci, Marie-Cécile. I will share your answer with the group of coders. And all the best for the future! It was a pleasure working with you.

Merci Martin ! Pleasure shared, good luck to Orphanet Switzerland :)