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Audyssey MultEQ calibration optimization with REW API
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Please have a look #4

Open DorianPuscas opened 3 months ago

DorianPuscas commented 3 months ago

So i did all the 8 measurements . I have 7.1 sistem , front speakers are floorstanders , older model Canton Karat - subwoofer on the side of the box , so capable speakers . Receiver Denon X3500H . The idea is Original Audissey sets the front speakers Large . The optimized Audissey sets speakers to small and crossover at 250 Hz , dont know why and is this the best option ? Also the subwoofer is set at -12Db level , so the maximum minim for the sub , dont know why .

I am trying to put the measurements here, maybe you can have a look please . Also the measurement of the subwoofer before and after - original and optimized .

Maybe you can advise me what to change , or leave it as it is .

Thank you very much . It is attached as ZIP . Original OK.zip

DorianPuscas commented 3 months ago

I also have REW and UMIK 1 if i can help with something .

ObsessiveCompulsiveAudiophile commented 3 months ago

Thanks. Crossover calculation was based on correlation with 24dB/oct roll off Linkwitz Riley slopes and these regularly detect major dips as crossovers higher up the freq band. I have revised the XO calculation mechanism completely in today's update (v1.1 here,). WIth multiple subs I could understand if there was a problem but with a single sub volume alignment works perfectly. Your sub is probably running too hot.

DorianPuscas commented 3 months ago

Hmm , when i took the measurements it was in the green barrier (you know when it sets the volume of the sub in the app) . Will try again with new version and let you know if something changes .

DorianPuscas commented 3 months ago

Ok, so i uploaded my measurements in the new version. Here are the results , maybe it will help you . Thank you very much and appreciate your help . If its no offense, i will follow and keep you updated .

ObsessiveCompulsiveAudiophile commented 3 months ago

Don't see a link?

DorianPuscas commented 3 months ago

Denon OCA.zip

DorianPuscas commented 3 months ago

So the sound is amazing , i only tested for movie Atmos and Dolby. The effects are really really unbelievable . BUT :) dont get upset (angry), i have literally no bass , so i have to bump the AVR to +12db subwoofer . My sub volume is allmost at half, but is really strong at this volume regularly

Dont get it , the sub is allmost nonexistent , when i bump it to 12 db , then i can hear it a little bit . I have LFE + Main 120 Hz set

DorianPuscas commented 3 months ago

I dont know if here is the right place for this , but i also have a SMSL SU1 connected to Denon X3500H on rca . So from pc to SMSL to AVR Rca , i only listen 2.1 in this configuration . I have REW and Umik 1 measurements , separate only front no sub , front with sub , only sub . If its not much trouble with your permission i would sent them to have a look, just if its no big deal to you , maybe youre busy , maybe another time .

I will keep you update if it helps

ObsessiveCompulsiveAudiophile commented 3 months ago

Your subwoofer volume was set to -12dB and set to small with a crossover at 40Hz during the calibration process if your original.ady file is any reference. None of these are normal outcomes. You should run the calibration properly or replace your calibration mic if it were showing green during calibration as you have stated.

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Denon OCA.zip https://github.com/ObsessiveCompulsiveAudiophile/AudysseyOne/files/14642693/Denon.OCA.zip

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DorianPuscas commented 3 months ago

Understood . My daughter is sleeping now, but tomorrow i will make new measurements from start and see if anything changes . I will keep you posted

ObsessiveCompulsiveAudiophile commented 3 months ago

Sure thing. Good night.

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Understood . My daughter is sleeping now, but tomorrow i will make new measurements from start and see if anything changes . I will keep you posted

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ba5e2k commented 3 months ago

@ObsessiveCompulsiveAudiophile had a look through the new changes in the html, see a fair bit of new code, can you post a short changeling for the new version you released yesterday?

DorianPuscas commented 3 months ago

Hello again , i did a new measurement of all 8 positions and made everything new with the lastest version (19.03.2024 - 22:30 PM) . i am attaching everything including a photo of sub level when starting Audissey EQ . 19.03.2024.zip

ObsessiveCompulsiveAudiophile commented 3 months ago

I have just updated again now (to v1.2). Yesterday's XO matching algo was failing with many systems and required too much memory. Now, it's all good. I uploaded it to github already.

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DorianPuscas commented 3 months ago

System Log: 11:17:22 PM [INFO] Based on your AVR model - Denon AVR-X3500H, speed of sound has been set to 300.0 m/s for all distance calculations. 11:17:22 PM [WARNING] - if you believe this setting is not correct for your receiver model, please notify OCA! 11:17:22 PM [INFO] **** 11:17:22 PM [LOG] Applying Target Curve located @ C:\Users\doria\Downloads\DrTooleTargetCurve.txt 11:17:22 PM [INFO] **** 11:17:22 PM [INFO] Optimization process started... 11:17:22 PM [LOG] Transposing measurements from '8' different microphone positions to the primary listening position... 11:17:28 PM [INFO] Done! 11:17:28 PM [INFO] **** 11:17:28 PM [INFO] Cleaning up processed measurements... 11:17:42 PM [LOG] Done! 11:17:42 PM [INFO] **** 11:17:42 PM [LOG] Calculating precise speaker volume levels... 11:17:43 PM [LOG] Co: 74.83510200977327 dB 11:17:43 PM [LOG] FDLo: 73.98010282516479 dB 11:17:43 PM [LOG] FDRo: 69.40905981063842 dB 11:17:43 PM [LOG] FLo: 71.59397578239441 dB 11:17:44 PM [LOG] FRo: 71.07822663784027 dB 11:17:44 PM [LOG] SLAo: 79.13670778274536 dB 11:17:44 PM [LOG] SRAo: 80.5238921403885 dB 11:17:44 PM [INFO] Optimized target volume level for all speakers: 74.365295284135 dB 11:17:44 PM [INFO] Total number of speakers averaged (excludes subwoofer): 7 11:17:44 PM [LOG] Finalized speaker volume settings: 11:17:44 PM [LOG] C: -0.5 ; with 0.03019327436173569 dB filter compensation 11:17:44 PM [LOG] FDL: 0.5 ; with -0.11480754102979063 dB filter compensation 11:17:44 PM [LOG] FDR: 5.0 ; with -0.04376452650342344 dB filter compensation 11:17:44 PM [LOG] FL: 3.0 ; with -0.22868049825940773 dB filter compensation 11:17:44 PM [LOG] FR: 3.5 ; with -0.21293135370527239 dB filter compensation 11:17:44 PM [LOG] SLA: -5.0 ; with 0.22858750138964012 dB filter compensation 11:17:44 PM [LOG] SRA: -6.0 ; with -0.15859685625349584 dB filter compensation 11:17:45 PM [INFO] Optimizing subwoofer volume adjustment... 11:17:45 PM [ERROR] Required subwoofer volume adjustment is beyond AV Receiver's hardware limits! 11:17:45 PM [WARNING] Be advised to repeat Audyssey calibration process after re-adjusting subwoofer volume! 11:17:45 PM [INFO] The algorithm will now apply maximum possible volume setting to the subwoofer and continue. 11:17:45 PM [WARNING] However, optimization will not result in the best achiveable performance! 11:17:45 PM [LOG] SW1: -12.0 dB ; with 0 dB filter compensation 11:17:45 PM [INFO] **** 11:17:45 PM [INFO] Deriving optimal speaker distances with advanced cross-correlation analysis... 11:17:46 PM [LOG] C: 2.55m 11:17:46 PM [LOG] FDL: 4.99m 11:17:46 PM [LOG] FDR: 4.75m 11:17:46 PM [LOG] FL: 3.27m 11:17:46 PM [LOG] FR: 2.87m 11:17:46 PM [LOG] SLA: 1.93m 11:17:46 PM [LOG] SRA: 2.74m 11:17:46 PM [LOG] SW1: 6.14m 11:17:46 PM [INFO] Subwoofer distance is 'optimally' set @ 6.13m and is 'safely' within the AV Receiver's speaker spacing limits. 11:17:46 PM [INFO] **** 11:17:46 PM [INFO] Crafting custom room correction filters... 11:17:50 PM [LOG] Optimal filter generation for speaker C is completed. 11:17:54 PM [LOG] Optimal filter generation for speaker FDL is completed. 11:17:58 PM [LOG] Optimal filter generation for speaker FDR is completed. 11:18:02 PM [LOG] Optimal filter generation for speaker FL is completed. 11:18:06 PM [LOG] Optimal filter generation for speaker FR is completed. 11:18:10 PM [LOG] Optimal filter generation for speaker SLA is completed. 11:18:14 PM [LOG] Optimal filter generation for speaker SRA is completed. 11:18:18 PM [LOG] Optimal filter generation for speaker SW1 is completed. 11:18:19 PM [LOG] Done! 11:18:19 PM [INFO] **** 11:18:19 PM [INFO] Pinpointing crossover frequencies for each speaker... 11:18:20 PM [ERROR] Error: Speaker has no bass response! - program execution has stopped!

DorianPuscas commented 3 months ago

Same thing here too about my sub ... and an error at the end

11:17:45 PM [INFO] Optimizing subwoofer volume adjustment... 11:17:45 PM [ERROR] Required subwoofer volume adjustment is beyond AV Receiver's hardware limits! 11:18:20 PM [ERROR] Error: Speaker has no bass response! - program execution has stopped!

ObsessiveCompulsiveAudiophile commented 3 months ago

Can you share your ady that caused that?

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System Log: 11:17:22 PM [INFO] Based on your AVR model - Denon AVR-X3500H, speed of sound has been set to 300.0 m/s for all distance calculations. 11:17:22 PM [WARNING] - if you believe this setting is not correct for your receiver model, please notify OCA! 11:17:22 PM [INFO]

11:17:22 PM [LOG] Applying Target Curve located @ C:\Users\doria\Downloads\DrTooleTargetCurve.txt 11:17:22 PM [INFO]

11:17:22 PM [INFO] Optimization process started... 11:17:22 PM [LOG] Transposing measurements from '8' different microphone positions to the primary listening position... 11:17:28 PM [INFO] Done! 11:17:28 PM [INFO]

11:17:28 PM [INFO] Cleaning up processed measurements... 11:17:42 PM [LOG] Done! 11:17:42 PM [INFO]

11:17:42 PM [LOG] Calculating precise speaker volume levels... 11:17:43 PM [LOG] Co: 74.83510200977327 dB 11:17:43 PM [LOG] FDLo: 73.98010282516479 dB 11:17:43 PM [LOG] FDRo: 69.40905981063842 dB 11:17:43 PM [LOG] FLo: 71.59397578239441 dB 11:17:44 PM [LOG] FRo: 71.07822663784027 dB 11:17:44 PM [LOG] SLAo: 79.13670778274536 dB 11:17:44 PM [LOG] SRAo: 80.5238921403885 dB 11:17:44 PM [INFO] Optimized target volume level for all speakers: 74.365295284135 dB 11:17:44 PM [INFO] Total number of speakers averaged (excludes subwoofer): 7 11:17:44 PM [LOG] Finalized speaker volume settings: 11:17:44 PM [LOG] C: -0.5 ; with 0.03019327436173569 dB filter compensation 11:17:44 PM [LOG] FDL: 0.5 ; with -0.11480754102979063 dB filter compensation 11:17:44 PM [LOG] FDR: 5.0 ; with -0.04376452650342344 dB filter compensation 11:17:44 PM [LOG] FL: 3.0 ; with -0.22868049825940773 dB filter compensation 11:17:44 PM [LOG] FR: 3.5 ; with -0.21293135370527239 dB filter compensation 11:17:44 PM [LOG] SLA: -5.0 ; with 0.22858750138964012 dB filter compensation 11:17:44 PM [LOG] SRA: -6.0 ; with -0.15859685625349584 dB filter compensation 11:17:45 PM [INFO] Optimizing subwoofer volume adjustment... 11:17:45 PM [ERROR] Required subwoofer volume adjustment is beyond AV Receiver's hardware limits! 11:17:45 PM [WARNING] Be advised to repeat Audyssey calibration process after re-adjusting subwoofer volume! 11:17:45 PM [INFO] The algorithm will now apply maximum possible volume setting to the subwoofer and continue. 11:17:45 PM [WARNING] However, optimization will not result in the best achiveable performance! 11:17:45 PM [LOG] SW1: -12.0 dB ; with 0 dB filter compensation 11:17:45 PM [INFO]

11:17:45 PM [INFO] Deriving optimal speaker distances with advanced cross-correlation analysis... 11:17:46 PM [LOG] C: 2.55m 11:17:46 PM [LOG] FDL: 4.99m 11:17:46 PM [LOG] FDR: 4.75m 11:17:46 PM [LOG] FL: 3.27m 11:17:46 PM [LOG] FR: 2.87m 11:17:46 PM [LOG] SLA: 1.93m 11:17:46 PM [LOG] SRA: 2.74m 11:17:46 PM [LOG] SW1: 6.14m 11:17:46 PM [INFO] Subwoofer distance is 'optimally' set @ 6.13m and is 'safely' within the AV Receiver's speaker spacing limits. 11:17:46 PM [INFO]

11:17:46 PM [INFO] Crafting custom room correction filters... 11:17:50 PM [LOG] Optimal filter generation for speaker C is completed. 11:17:54 PM [LOG] Optimal filter generation for speaker FDL is completed. 11:17:58 PM [LOG] Optimal filter generation for speaker FDR is completed. 11:18:02 PM [LOG] Optimal filter generation for speaker FL is completed. 11:18:06 PM [LOG] Optimal filter generation for speaker FR is completed. 11:18:10 PM [LOG] Optimal filter generation for speaker SLA is completed. 11:18:14 PM [LOG] Optimal filter generation for speaker SRA is completed. 11:18:18 PM [LOG] Optimal filter generation for speaker SW1 is completed. 11:18:19 PM [LOG] Done! 11:18:19 PM [INFO]

11:18:19 PM [INFO] Pinpointing crossover frequencies for each speaker... 11:18:20 PM [ERROR] Error: Speaker has no bass response! - program execution has stopped!

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DorianPuscas commented 3 months ago

Orig 19.03.2024.zip

ObsessiveCompulsiveAudiophile commented 3 months ago

This is a normal Audyssey calibration file data:

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DorianPuscas commented 3 months ago

yes , i dont know what to send you ...:( I uploaded this in new version and then i got this error , the program never finished to have a final ady to send to you , it gave that error and stopped

ObsessiveCompulsiveAudiophile commented 3 months ago

This is a normal Audyssey calibration data imported to REW like the hundreds I have in my computer

[image: image.png]

and this is your calibration data:

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Even the noise level of the subwoofer is the same as the speaker levels.I am trying to find out what is causing this...

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Orig 19.03.2024.zip https://github.com/ObsessiveCompulsiveAudiophile/AudysseyOne/files/14656782/Orig.19.03.2024.zip

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DorianPuscas commented 3 months ago

i can send you my measurements made with REW and UMIK 1 if you think it helps you . only fronts and sub measured

ObsessiveCompulsiveAudiophile commented 3 months ago

No, it's not gonna help. Audyssey will not measure something 40dB higher than the others. That's 6 times the volume. Obviously, the script finds no speaker response at these levels and throws an error. How did you measure this? WHat app version? Android/Ios?

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i can send you my measurements made with REW and UMIK 1 if you think it helps you . only fronts and sub measured

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DorianPuscas commented 3 months ago

Android - version 1.11.0

Same as yesterday, and like an hour ago . It worked until now

ObsessiveCompulsiveAudiophile commented 3 months ago

It didn't work, the older didn't check for bass response properly and dimmed your SW volume by the limit of -12dB and finished. Your sub needs -42dB volume adjustment according to your ady responses!!!

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Android - version 1.11.0

Same as yesterday, and like an hour ago . It worked until now

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DorianPuscas commented 3 months ago

How to do this , when i open the audiseey eq , at the beggining it says it will adjust the subwoofer level and then i have that red and green line , i adjust the volume knob from sub to meet the green line , like in this picture Screenshot_20240319_213005_com.dmholdings.AudysseyMultEq.zip

ObsessiveCompulsiveAudiophile commented 3 months ago

I think either your app is corrupt or something is wrong in your mic. Subwoofer volume comes out by default 40dB louder than the rest of the speakers. Best I can do it is to dim it down by -12 dB and it's still 30dB above the speakers. Let me put it this way, If your sub had really been as loud as it shows in the graphs, you would be instantly deaf when it plays. 130dB is jet engine from 1m. So, definitely something goes wrong during the measurement process.

ObsessiveCompulsiveAudiophile commented 3 months ago

Yes, that's how it's done and even if you left it all the way in the red, it would still not be that loud as it comes up in the ady file. Try re-installing your app maybe.

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How to do this , when i open the audiseey eq , at the beggining it says it will adjust the subwoofer level and then i have that red and green line , i adjust the volume knob from sub to meet the green line , like in this picture Screenshot_20240319_213005_com.dmholdings.AudysseyMultEq.zip https://github.com/ObsessiveCompulsiveAudiophile/AudysseyOne/files/14656954/Screenshot_20240319_213005_com.dmholdings.AudysseyMultEq.zip

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DorianPuscas commented 3 months ago

Something is wrong, because the sub is hardly audible even when measuring , and afterwards the same - low level sub . The mic if it were to be faulty , the speakers should have some errors or something when measuring maybe ? Dont know ... I will install another version of the app , if i cand find one older maybe . I dont think the mic is the problem and i dont have another besides the UMIK 1 - usb .

DorianPuscas commented 3 months ago

Just a second , maybe if you have a look of the subwoofer measured with UMIK in REW , maybe you will see something there , worth a try and your keen eye may spot my problem OCA to send FR FL Sub UMIK 1.zip

ObsessiveCompulsiveAudiophile commented 3 months ago

Yes, in these measurements the subwoofer response is where it should be.

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Just a second , maybe if you have a look of the subwoofer measured with UMIK in REW , maybe you will see something there , worth a try and your keen eye may spot my problem OCA to send FR FL Sub UMIK 1.zip https://github.com/ObsessiveCompulsiveAudiophile/AudysseyOne/files/14657297/OCA.to.send.FR.FL.Sub.UMIK.1.zip

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DorianPuscas commented 3 months ago

Hmm , then i think i will wait for your help on this . If you can do something for my problem i highly appreciate you .

I will wait for news from you then . Thank you so much

ObsessiveCompulsiveAudiophile commented 3 months ago

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tgDl8CeFI6nO63AkIf4EKToMDBy39XdW/view?usp=sharing

Here's your optimized ady file. I dropped sub volume by -42dB (this is a common SPL offset in maths and subs seemed to be close to the levis relative to FL and FR based on your REW measurements) and started the optimization from there. I guess you can adjust the sub volume by +,- 3dB and find the right level. The rest is already optimized.

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Here's your optimized ady file. I dropped sub volume by -42dB (this is a common SPL offset in maths and subs seemed to be close to the levis relative to FL and FR based on your REW measurements) and started the optimization from there. I guess you can adjust the sub volume by +,- 3dB and find the right level. The rest is already optimized.

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Hmm , then i think i will wait for your help on this . If you can do something for my problem i highly appreciate you .

I will wait for news from you then . Thank you so much

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DorianPuscas commented 3 months ago

WAW , youre the best . Thank you so so much, really appreciate it ! Will try it tomorrow on day time and let you know how it sounds . Thank you

And have a good night

ianfretwell commented 3 months ago

Just a quick question to @DorianPuscas on this issue - you are doing the measurements with the Audyssey mic aren't you - and NOT the UMIK1 ?

DorianPuscas commented 3 months ago

Yes , with the audisseyEQ app conmected to Avr and then Avr measured with standard mic , provided with the avr. The umik 1 has usb

ianfretwell commented 3 months ago

I know but it just seems strange that you're having all these issues!

DorianPuscas commented 3 months ago

Sorry for late reply. Dont understand why it is happening. I must settle for now with Oca's ady file he made . I think is a problem from the multeq app , when i measure the normal way with the app from the receivernthe subwoofer is set to +1 db , and with the mobile app -12 db

michaelbarkan commented 3 months ago

Many versions of the mobile app have the -12dB sub problem. Here is the old version before the problem originated: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Xz1Hb-nIHSCpeO9YBW4zarpKkcaRLUwu/view?usp=sharing Michael

DorianPuscas commented 3 months ago

Michael , thank you for this version. I uninstalled the new one and installed this one. Will take the measurements with this one (older) and see how it works . Will write here off the changes

DorianPuscas commented 3 months ago

Finally, been able to measure and the sub is in normal volume level for tuning . Thank you for the version, i looked for it but couldnt find it myself until now . 25.03.2024 orig multeq old.zip

michaelbarkan commented 3 months ago

Great news. Glad to have been able to help.

DorianPuscas commented 3 months ago

Thanks again very much . I now have awesome sound , the measurement waas made correct with the older version . OCA is the best , he made a remarkable solution for us , home theater guys :)