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[Feature Request] Win10-style Start Menu? #412

Open Darthagnon opened 4 years ago

Darthagnon commented 4 years ago

Describe the solution you'd like Would it be possible to implement a Windows 10-style start menu in Open Shell? Ideally it would look like the current Windows 10 start menu, but function on older versions of Windows, though potentially skinning like this would be possible:

Win10 Start Menu on Win7 concept

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Ibuprophen commented 4 years ago

@Darthagnon, After a quick Google search, I'm hoping that one or more of the following 3 links has what you're looking for (or close enough for you to customize the rest from).

https://github.com/davestewart/classic-shell-win10

http://www.classicshell.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7268

https://winaero.com/blog/best-skins-for-classic-shells-start-menu/

Good Luck!

~Ibuprophen

Darthagnon commented 4 years ago

Thank you so much for those links; the second one looks closest to what I had in mind, and very promising. Will test it! Do you know if it is possible to force the "All programs" list to be always open in the left column in Classic Shell in general, or for skins to relocate the "Pinned programs" area to the right column?

EDIT: I tested the most promising skins you linked (there were 2 in that forum thread) - it's not 100% what I had in mind. I was wondering if it was possible to e.g. create a skin with the "Pinned to start menu" programs in a scrollable grid on the right, and the scrollable "All Programs" list permanently visible on the left. This would replicate the Win10 start menu, but on older and better operating systems like Win7

EDIT 2: This guy in the 2nd thread almost got it; the default items are in a targetable grid, but workarounds are still used to get the labels, and I don't know if it possible to "pin" custom items.

bonzibudd commented 4 years ago

Because of Open-Shell's limitations, there is no easy end-user way of pinning and unpinning for what you are talking about. The "Pin to Start Menu (Open-Shell)" option will always just pin items to the left-hand side.

Darthagnon commented 4 years ago

Thank you for the confirmation! That's a pity. Maybe one day...

Ibuprophen commented 4 years ago

I had appropriately tagged this issue and, if there's no objections, I'll keep it open for the time being in case someone else inquires about this feature.

If so, that issue would be referred to this one and closed as a previously requested feature.

~Ibuprophen

Darthagnon commented 4 years ago

Someone on Reddit made a skin that is a very nice Start Menu for Win10 (though it still doesn't implement tiles, it looks very Fluent), though still not 100% what I'm looking for. Sharing here for future readers:

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CTVCAM8 commented 4 years ago

What goes around comes around. The round corners are back in style like tabs in the new Edge.

That ginger_bread84 guy just needs a little of his same round treatment on the Search_background_mask along with changes in this picture:

SearchR

Would not work for small icons option though as there is only 1 pixel protected corners.

bonzibudd commented 4 years ago

@CTVCAM8

That skins actually mine haha. It was made more as a concept but ended up putting a link because many people were interested. If I do a follow-up I will certainly implement a better search mask along with more options.

Ibuprophen commented 4 years ago

Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding this open issue...

When it comes the look, skin, etc... of the Start Menu, i don't believe that this would constitute a "Feature Request" if it falls into a category of the customization & appearance of the start menu.

I don't intend to discourage someone asking about an available skin and such to alter the appearance. I do encourage the community asking for assistance to/from other members.

I would like to clarify that the start menu already has the capability to alter its appearance (hence the feature is available).

It's just that others need to research/look into the understanding of what to do/not to do when it comes to altering those certain settings and such to accomplish this look.

I've always felt that a "Feature Request" really fits within the realm of having, creating, fixing, etc... something that not available or is available, but doesn't work that requires one or more Classic Shell team members to look into it.

I'm not trying to rant nor complain, but to clarify this and, if I'm wrong, please correct me where necessary.

I truly hope that I had explained this okay via text as I only posted this with good intentions.

~Ibuprophen

CTVCAM8 commented 4 years ago

Ah-ha! The trap was set, the bait got bitten.

Yeah, the compact view search box has some wiggle room horizontally, but only 1 pixel vertically so it will stretch the corner. You could have a separate Search_background_mask for that but just have the one corner pixel 0 or 64/255 alpha

Small icons search box

CTVCAM8 commented 4 years ago

Should we be using the Discussion room for something like this?

bonzibudd commented 4 years ago

I posted a follow-up for the rounded skin on the UC-Menu-Skins room.

Darthagnon commented 4 years ago

Guess it's kinda off-topic, but @bonzibudd Double-checking, is this the latest version of your modern Classic Shell skin? Do you know if it works on Windows 7 (readme doesn't mention)?

It's the closest we've currently got to a Windows 10-style skin for OpenShell

bonzibudd commented 4 years ago

@Darthagnon

Yes, that's the latest release so far. Currently it doesn't work on 7 due to high reliance on metro colors, but I am planning on making it work eventually. I'll consider that for an upcoming preview version.

Darthagnon commented 4 years ago

Thank you so much! Is it worth me opening a GH Issue about it, or mentioning Win7 in https://github.com/bonzibudd/Fluent-Metro/issues/6 ?

bonzibudd commented 4 years ago

I don't have an issue template yet, but you can make a new issue if it will let you. The issue you mentioned is separate, but if you can't make a new one you can mention it there.

bonzibudd commented 4 years ago

@Darthagnon

Just thought I would reference this here, since it is very similar to the original request. I've been working on a version of my skin in the two-column variant, which has support for customizable tiles: image

It will be on the same page as my current skin within a zip file, along with an xml file for easy configuration. I'm not sure if you're still interested in tiles specifically, but I think it is fitting here.

Edit: To clarify, you will be able to customize the items by changing the items listed in "Customize Start Menu." This is easier to accomplish with mine since it doesn't rely on a static bitmap for text. You will also be able to choose from a selection of text options for the headers between groups. These will be in the form of the "Separator" item.

Darthagnon commented 4 years ago

@bonzibudd That's the sort of thing I was talking about and hoping for! Tiles and all! Thank you so much! It's beautiful!

bonzibudd commented 4 years ago

@Darthagnon

I've posted a newer version, should be more stable and have some more options. I probably won't post anything else on this thread.

If that XML file doesn't work, you may need to select the skin manually.