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Only spawn Bosses after 3 minutes into the game #1869

Closed l34Um1 closed 6 years ago

l34Um1 commented 6 years ago

Currently Bosses are always on the map. Spawn them at the 3 minute mark instead.

Haganeko commented 6 years ago

There is abuse of this?

Chogex commented 6 years ago

3 minutes is still too early, it will only delay this strat by 1 minute

CptBabineaux commented 6 years ago

A delay of at most 5 mins would be good I think, I been in a game where we started a boss at 4:30

Chogex commented 6 years ago

also giving the bosses truesight wouldn't fix this, since smoke gives invisibility that can't be seen with truesight

carlosrpg commented 6 years ago

Why is this a problem? If there is any abuse we should fix the abuse not the spawn.

Early bosses rush usually open the map and the contesting team should take advantage of that.

I advise against it

l34Um1 commented 6 years ago

Cheesing bosses super early, then getting mana boots on your entire team is the abuse. The true sight change should fix the current cheese, however by also making bosses spawn later we limit the amount of cheese that we don't know about yet. These extreme cheeses existing severly limits the hero pool since they are so overwhelmingly powerful. 3 minutes is a very generous spawn timer, in most games it will have absolutely no impact, even for early boss killing strats.

carlosrpg commented 6 years ago

This looks like mana boot problem. Again, I dislike our GPM solution. Generate in game resource will always be problematic. Ideally this stray would create good boots but your team would not have were to farm after that.

I guess 3 minutes will work for now, but we should rethink our farming boots later, missing bosses does not have purpose and is not easily understandable fonew players.r

Haganeko commented 6 years ago

I agree. Items generating gold is ech. There are a few ways to correct this, but fact is that even if one farms nothing, right now Arcanes are better than killing creeps. And that's not mentioning travels, where you just plain get more gold than your ally who is farming.

l34Um1 commented 6 years ago

We could have the GPM boots tied to ingame time but that's not for now. That's a post tournament change.

KarmaticNeutral commented 6 years ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the problem here was people would smoke then intentionally not break it and use that to avoid tanking the rosh and get 2 minute farming cores? I know it doesn't future proof anything, but to avoid that issue couldn't we just have bosses break smoke?

EDIT: Ignore me, I just saw the other thread :|

carlosrpg commented 6 years ago

https://github.com/OpenAngelArena/oaa/pull/1899