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Add `non-energy use technology` #1773 #1803

Closed l-emele closed 4 months ago

l-emele commented 5 months ago

Summary of the discussion

Implement non-energy use technology as equivalent class.

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stap-m commented 5 months ago

This issue #1726 is very similar to #1773. There is a proposal for industrial technology.

First proposal: industrial technology: An industrial technology is a technology that describes how to combine industrial plants, energy transformations, material transformations, energy, energy carriers and other materials in a specific way to produce an industrial material.

We don't have yet industrial plant, so let's define it: An industrial plant is an artificial object that applies one or more industrial processes to produce one more kinds of industrial products.

https://github.com/OpenEnergyPlatform/ontology/issues/1726#issuecomment-1813962631

I'd suggest the following:

@l-emele what do you think?

l-emele commented 5 months ago

Sorry, I have to object against this proposal. The concepts non-energy use technology and industrial technology are related but not synonyms. In a lot of industrial processes there is non-energy use, the most obvious one are plastics are manufactured from mineral oil (or other carbon containing materials).

But there are also industrial materials which are produced without a non-energy use of fuels. For example, cement production needs a lot of fuels, but all that energy is used to produce the heat in the ovens. None of the fuels are agents in the chemical reaction that forms the cement, so no non-energetic use of fuels in this case.

Further, non-energy use also happens outside the industry. One simple counterexample are the lubricants (Schmierstoffe) used in vehicles: Lubricants are mineral oil products and as such fuels and energy carriers. But those lubricants are not combusted and hence not used to propel the vehicles but instead used to lubricate motors and gears. But driving a vehicle is for sure not an industrial process in the sense that a good will be produced.

So for specific industrial processes and technologies we can add that non-energy use is a part, but not in general.

stap-m commented 5 months ago

I see. Are there, the other way round, non-energy use technologies that are not industrial technologies ( which should be consideres in OEO)?

l-emele commented 5 months ago

Are there, the other way round, non-energy use technologies that are not industrial technologies ( which should be consideres in OEO)?

Yes, see the lubricants example above. I don't know whether we need to include lubricant technology or something like that in the OEO, but at least it shows that non-energy use technology and industrial technologies are not identical, despite having large overlaps.

l-emele commented 4 months ago

@stap-m : Any need further discussion? If not please review and approve the PR.