Closed KaiSchnepf closed 2 years ago
The def of combustible energy carrier disposition
should rather read A combustible energy carrier disposition is an energy carrier disposition of material entities to release energy from a material entity in form of heat or work, by chemical reaction with other substances.
The combustible energies
don't make sense to me. It's not the energy beeing combustible, but the energy carrier.
conventional energy
seems to be missing, because conventional
is defined as an origin of energies. Thus, onventional energy carrier
could be defined equivalently to renewable energy carrier
:
conventional energy
equivalent to
energy and ('has origin' some conventional)
We could add nuclear energy carrier
if we want, I'm dispassionate here. Further, we already have nuclear binding energy
.
The def of
combustible energy carrier disposition
should rather read A combustible energy carrier disposition is an energy carrier disposition of material entities to release energy from a material entity in form of heat or work, by chemical reaction with other substances.
I just recognized that the definition of nuclear energy carrier disposition
has the same mistake as conventional energy carrier disposition
.
new def: A nuclear energy carrier disposition is an energy carrier disposition used in nuclear power stations to produce heat for steam turbines. Heat is created when the nuclear fuel undergoes nuclear fission.
The
combustible energies
don't make sense to me. It's not the energy beeing combustible, but the energy carrier.
If we have a combustible energy carrier disposition
, we should have a combustible energy carrier
, I assume.
Def: A combustible energy carrier is an energy carrier that has the disposition combustible energy carrier disposition.
or: A combustible energy carrier is an energy carrier that has a combustible energy carrier disposition.
I prefer the second version, which you also used. Does it cover sufficiently the axiom 'has disposition'? If yes, we should also redefine the other definitions
We could add
nuclear energy carrier
if we want, I'm dispassionate here. Further, we already havenuclear binding energy
.
I would suggest to add it otherwise oeo is not fully consistent.
primary / secondary / renewable energy carrier
do not follow oeo rules because they have two parent classes in the asserted view:
I think, it is because of the 'equivalent to'.
We should change for primary energy carrier
and equivalent for the other two:
'material entity' 'energy carrier' and ('has disposition' some 'primary energy carrier disposition')
This issue touches a lot of different things, so just a few thoughts:
We could add
nuclear energy carrier
if we want, I'm dispassionate here.
We already have nuclear fuel
(A nuclear fuel is a fuel that realises its fuel role in processes that release energy in the form of heat or work by undergoing nuclear fission.). Are there any nuclear energy carriers that are no fuels?
If we have a
combustible energy carrier disposition
, we should have acombustible energy carrier
, I assume.
We already have a class for that, it is called combustible fuel
. All combustible energy carriers are combustible fuels. We might add combustible energy carrier
as alternative term.
We could add
nuclear energy carrier
if we want, I'm dispassionate here.We already have
nuclear fuel
(A nuclear fuel is a fuel that realises its fuel role in processes that release energy in the form of heat or work by undergoing nuclear fission.). Are there any nuclear energy carriers that are no fuels?
For energy purposes, I think it is enough.
I thought about the Russian-American agreement of Megatons to Megawatts where a nuclear energy carrier
(of a weapon) was used to produce nuclear fuel
. This agreement covered up to 10% of the electricity production in the States.
nuclear fuel
is defined as: A nuclear fuel is a fuel that realises its fuel role in processes that release energy in the form of heat or work by undergoing nuclear fission. The uranium
or plutonium
in nuclear weapons also fulfill this definition. A nuclear explosion is a form of heat or work and it is caused by nuclear fission. Hence, uranium
and plutonium
are inferred correctly as nuclear fuel
:
Alright, I agree.
Finally, we should discuss, if we want to implement final energy
, primary energy
and secondary energy
.
How would you use and define these concepts? For me, I only final energy consumption
etc. are relevant.
My general understanding was, that we need a xxx energy/fuel
if we use xxx energy carrier (disposition)
.
If this is incorrect, because it is a kind of doubling, we do not have to discuss further.
Possible use cases:
'final energy consumption' 'has physical input' some 'final energy'
because consumes
is an 'alternative term' for has input
primary energy consumption
: 'primary energy consumption' 'has physical input' some 'primary energy'
We could cover both cases with the equivalent xxx carrier
, I suppose.
NOTE FOR IMPLEMENTATION:
PRIMARY ENERGY PRODUCTION
IS CURRENTLY A SUBCLASS OFLIQUID AIR PRODUCTION
, WHICH IS WRONG.PRIMARY ENERGY PRODUCTION
SHOULD BE A SUBCLASS OFPRODUCTION
, EQUIVALENT TO THE DEFINITION.
Please open new issues if you spot errors like this.
My general understanding was, that we need a
xxx energy/fuel
if we usexxx energy carrier (disposition)
. If this is incorrect, because it is a kind of doubling, we do not have to discuss further. Possible use cases:
'final energy consumption' 'has physical input' some 'final energy'
becauseconsumes
is an 'alternative term' forhas input
- equivalent for
primary energy consumption
:'primary energy consumption' 'has physical input' some 'primary energy'
We could cover both cases with the equivalent
xxx carrier
, I suppose.
Do we need it and should revise it? Otherwise, I would propose that we could close this issue.
I agree with closing this issue. In the discussion no one came up with a real need. We can reopen this issue or create a new issue if we later find that something important is missing.
Description of the issue
We have a few
xxx energy carrier disposition
which do not have the correspondingxxx energy carrier
and/orxxx energy
.Ideas of solution
We should discuss whether the oeo needs the missing terms listed:
combustible energy
,combustible energy carrier
orcombustible energy carrier disposition
because there is a mistake in the current definition ofcombustible energy carrier disposition
conventional energy
/conventional fuel
,conventional energy carrier
nuclear energy
/nuclear energy carrier
final energy
primary energy
secondary energy
Workflow checklist
I am aware that