Closed KaiSchnepf closed 2 years ago
I think, we should define first import and export as processes and then define quantity values measuring these processes.
Alright, what about: Import is the process of purchasing goods or services abroad and their delivery to the domestic market.
electrical energy
is neither a good nor a service, so electricity import
cannot be derived from your proposed definition.
I think, electrical energy
can be treated as a good:
The good role
is defined as: The role of a physical, produced item over which ownership rights can be established, whose ownership can be passed from one party to another by engaging in transactions, and that is not money or real estate.
And German wikipedia says about commodities (subclass of good
in the OEO) Energie: Strom, Erdgas, Wärme, Wasser und Kohle werden ebenfalls als Commodities gehandelt. Strom weist die Besonderheit auf, dass er mangels Speicherfähigkeit weder ein materielles noch ein immaterielles Realgut darstellt. Er gilt auch nicht als Sache im Sinne des § 90 BGB, doch gilt Elektrizität neben Wärme als „sonstiger Gegenstand“ beim Rechtskauf des § 453 Abs. 1 BGB.[4] Im Finanzwesen ist Strom als Basiswert anerkannt, so dass sich der Stromhandel etablieren konnte.
I just saw, that I had already in #891 the idea of giving electrical energy
the commodity role
.
I think,
electrical energy
should get the axiom'has role' some 'commodity role'
, then this would be covered by the definition ofvariable cost
.
However, has role
is only applicable to independent continuants
(a relation between an independent continuant (the bearer) and a role, in which the role specifically depends on the bearer for its existence). good
is a material entity
and thus an independent continuant
, while electrical energy
is a quality
which is a specifically dependent continuant
.
We can solve this, if we do not give electrical energy
the commodity role
but energy amount value
(or a subclass of this, something like electrical energy amount value
or electrical energy quantity value
).[^1] From that we can further derive electricty import value
and electricity export value
as further subclasses. In the end, for the mathematical expression we need quantity values anyway.
[^1]: Btw, why is the class called energy amount value
and not energy quantity value
. I am always struggling with the first and the latter sounds much better to me.
After implementing #891 / PR #1022 I saw your comment above @l-emele. We should revert the axiom electrical energy has role some fuel role
and add the proposed one instead, when implementing this issue ❗
EDIT: Please ignore the comment. It will be bee solved by https://github.com/OpenEnergyPlatform/ontology/issues/1030:
No objections against my proposals for three weeks, so ready for implementation.
In PR #997 we implemented gross national electricity consumption
as a sum of i.a. of electricity imports
and electricity exports
. @jannahastings can you propose a fitting relation (from RO?) to depict the mathematical dependency between the classes? E.g. something like "mathematically dependent on" ?
Mathematical relationships have not been in scope for RO, and I think that we should rather cover mathematical relationships with embedded annotations. But we could still think, if there is an ontological dependence relationship here or something like an 'is about' relationship?
To sum up the proposals of this issue:
For the latter three, we have to decide on a label.
A definition for export
is still missing, here is a proposal which is in line with import
:
Express the mathematical relations via is about
and the mathematical formula with the annotation mathematical expression
.
Note for implementation:
After implementing #891 / PR #1022 I saw your comment above @l-emele. We should revert the axiom
electrical energy has role some fuel role
and add the proposed one instead, when implementing this issue ❗
So any objections against implementing what I summed up in my last comment?
From #1083:
I think, we also need some axioms here. Unfortunately,
import
andexport
are not implemented yet, see #998.
So, as #1083 gets probably merged first, we should add these axioms in this issue.
Looks good to me.
Regarding the labels I'd use electrical energy amount
. I'd be ok with adding electrical energy quantity value
as alternative term.
We could also introduce energy quantity value
as alternative term for energy amount value
(I thought we'd already decided on that some time ago?).
Please ignore the comment below, since it will be bee solved by #1030:
After implementing #891 / PR #1022 I saw your comment above @l-emele. We should revert the axiom
electrical energy has role some fuel role
and add the proposed one instead, when implementing this issue ❗
EDIT: #1030 is solved now by #1101
This has been stale for a while but seems to be solved. Ok if I implement?
Please do so.
Any good ideas for axioms between imprt/export
and market exchange
?
I'd propose to include the axiom 'electrical energy'
is energy participant ofsome
electricity import/export`.
I agree to the axioms:
'electricity import' 'has energy participant' some 'electrical energy'
'electricity export' 'has energy participant' some 'electrical energy'
I don't this that electricity import and export are necessarily related to a market exchange. They can be result of trading at an energy market exchange, but not necessarily have to. One can distinguish electricity import/export between physical electricity flows and commercial electricity flows. These can even be of opposite direction! See e.g. https://www.smard.de/page/en/wiki-article/5884/6140.
If we want to include a relation to a market exchange, this would be something for some subclasses of electricity import/export and thus beyond this issue.
I don't this that electricity import and export are necessarily related to a market exchange.
At least the definitions refer to "domestic / foreign market". But I agree that this doesn't have to be addressed immediately.
Okay, I see, this is in the definition of the general import
class. Does importing necessarily mean to purchase something abroad? To me, import is mainly a transport process in which some kind of trade can be involved, but not necessarily has to. But maybe I am looking too much with an engineering background on this and have too less an economic view.
@han-f : Can you please provide an economist's opinion here?
Gabler Wirtschaftlexikon says about import: alle Waren- und Dienstleistungsumsätze mit Wirtschaftseinheiten, die ihren ständigen Sitz (Wohnsitz) außerhalb Deutschlands haben. Aus Sicht des Zollrechts alle Einfuhren in das [Zollgebiet] der [EG] EU.
So from an economical point of view this relates to goods and services that are obtained from an institution that has their permanent residency outside the country we are talking about. So in case we trade goods I would argue that some kind of money is exchanged. But if the price for the good is zero, then it comes down to what @l-emele said: the transport of something from A to B.
Personally, I also think about something being transported from A to B when I hear the termimport
. But then again - most of the times this transport process will be inevitably linked to some kind of exchange of money and thus a market exchange?
Does it need to be linked from the modellers perspectives?
the definition of ‘electricity export value’ is confused with ‘electricity import value’
Description of the issue
This comes from PR #997: We use
electricity imports
andelectricity exports
in the 'mathematical expression' and definition ofgross national electricity consumption
but do not have a class.Ideas of solution
First Proposals:
electricity imports
Electricity imports are a quantity value measuring the imported electrical energy in a spatial region (e. g. a country) over a time duration.electricity exports
Electricity exports are a quantity value measuring the exported electrical energy in a spatial region (e. g. a country) over a time duration.Workflow checklist
I am aware that