lower cost of pardon

[ghost]

Id really like the pardon two of my toons soi can build in peace. Paying two million shillings for this is ridiculous.

Has anyone actually paid this?

[Phex1]

Price is Okay, 1 Million is not to difficult to farm and it should be some pain to farm, otherwhise, the whole system is pointless.

[ghost]

How natural of you to respond to this phex. To anyone reading, let me say a little something about Phex.

I am red on 103, and have kinda cut down on the pking to build. Me and other pkers follow a certain rule of thumb where if we attack you while u are building (open environmen where your full built looking for a fight is different), we wont attack you again for atleast a few days. If we kill you, we wont even touch you again until u are full built. I dont speak for all pks, but for some and myself, the above is my rume of thumb.

Back to me building with red toons. I went red before the pardon change, so i figured i could always revert back to white. Well, tbe change went in, i dont like the idea of spending one mil on a pardon, so i build red. Im ok with the typical burden of chosing to do this, ill get attacked when i dint want to, but mozt of the time the hunter got his log, moves on. I tell him im building, hes cool with it, leaves me alone. Sometimes we share the screen.

Now Phex on the other hand, wow. This guy searches everywhere for me nonstop and continuously attacks me while im pveing. Hes come into brax like 7 times in a row in one day to pen me, hell find me wherever i am .. thrashers, caves, avar village...u name it. I think he spends more time looking for me than he does pvping.

Everyday its like this. I am not pking, infact im buffing the newbs ariund me to help with group xp. Phex will come 10 times and log me, theres no limit or end to it. Him and his guild are the only ones who seem to have this obsessive tendency to grief.

He mjst have logged me 50 times atleast while im huntjng. If that ist enuf, hez started to bring reds tk log my white toon too. Hes starting to make it unplayable for me and that is actually why i started this thread.

And to respond to your comment phex, one mil is hard to farm when ur contstantly searching for me and attacking me. Lol it is literally mindblowing the effort that you and your guild put in to finding and attacking me. The consistency of this is creepy actually.

Im telling ya folks, hell spend hours on end logging me all day. I have no idea who he is, did i kill u in the past or something? Youre like my shadow and you never go away. So ... weird

I think this is a good policy that helps maintain a healthy, positive and active server. If i wanted to, i could kill multiple people every day. I could kill the same people over and over. During certain times of the day, i could dual or tripple box and take over brax or cv or tos. But thats bad for everyone, so i dont do it.

[ghost]

Er typing from phone. Bottom paragraph supposed to be towards top

[maggl0x]

Only thing you can really do is reroll a new character. It was your choice to go red

[Phex1]

Well, i will ignore all you personal issues with me. Belive it or not, my thougts about this have nothing to do with you. And i think you do not want that i listen all the lies you speak in your attempt to trick us, believieng the admins will ban us if we attack you again?

We switched the system because of two problems:

1. Abuse from the group with the highest numbers of chars on a server.
2. Red -> White, Red->White, Red->White Yiipiee!

If you lower the cost of a pardon you will get the second problem back. After the last buff on loot i would higher the costs, in my personal opinion, but whatever.

Nobody forces you to go out with two red toons at the same time to the same spot after you get logged twice. Is that not the thing pks told new players all the time after a kill? Play smart?

If you really want the pardon, here is the way to go. Make a new Char. Spend 10 Minutes in Raza to get to 30 Hitpoints. Join the Graveyard. Make 80.000 Shillings in 30 Minutes. In 6-7 Hours you get a pardon without getting attacked ever. That is to much effort for you? Don't get red...

[M59Gar]

"Me and other pkers follow a certain rule of thumb where if we attack you while u are building (open environmen where your full built looking for a fight is different), we wont attack you again for atleast a few days. If we kill you, we wont even touch you again until u are full built."

That's pretty cool of you. Thanks for doing that.

Another proposed amount for the pardon was/is 500k, and it can be changed on the fly with an admin setting. It's not really supposed to make pardons impossible, it's there to give satisfaction to the community. As in, if they see you white, they knew you dropped some serious cash and a death on it. Nobody is going to be flipping between red and white at 500k + death per.

[skittles1]

Possible solution is to have red and orange names decay back to orange/white after a period of time, for those who don't want to pay the upfront cost of a pardon. Could include a player flag that keeps track of these color reverts and uses that number when calculating time to next revert so that each change from red-orange, or orange-white increases the time of further changes for repeat offenders.

[ghost]

I think thats a decent idea skittles.

I wanna address the bigger picture here that i think is being missed. Until there is pvp incentive built into the game, red vs white is basically it. Sure, the occasional opposing faction shields. Guild war? What are guild wars?

So, without colored players, aint gonna be much pvp. Anyone whose pvping needs to rebuild and farm to pvp effectively, red or white.. Obviously you cant ask the server to stop attacking you if u are a pker for the next 6 hours while ur farming... and then later that night go back to pk mode. Thats why the justicar system was so nice before, it didnt require you to build a new toon with a white name to do the farming for you. You could be white when you wanted to pve and you could be red when you wanted to pvp. I understand why the system was changed, but i aint farming one mil shills for this for both of my toons. If youre willing to make a new character to farm shillings to pardon yourself, good for you. I doubt most players would do that though. And i suspect most players supporting this either dont pvp, arent colored or dont even play the game.

A little side note about overall community and pvp: I expect to be attacked by hunters while i build with a red name, infact i anticipate it and like the random fights that come of it. Same goes when im building with a white name, its fun to get attacked occassionally by a pk. What isnt fun tho is when the same person comes and attacks you with no end.

This holds true for all players. In our guild chat u will see us list out players not to attack because we attacked them already or feel that theyre too new etc. Until we have coded in logic that can handle conditional situations like player abuse, the only way to control it is manually through just using our heads.

Phex i think u are just someone who sees it black and white. Im starting to think that you're actually a nice and honest guy who doesnt see what ur doing as lame. Personally, id never continuously grief another player the way you do.

[ghost]

Just to make sure i explain what the issue is in this issues section. Im proposing we lower the shillings for pardon to 250k thru 500k, obviously id like the lower end. I think we NEED colored players until we build in pvp incentive scenarios. Once those are established, then u can bump it up to 5 mil for all i care.

I aint requesting anything else here. Ill deal with phex on my own end. Id also like the admins to note that when the complaints come in from phex or anyone in that group about excessive deaths, shatter spams etc. They can refer to this thread. Thx ♥