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Image for Open Science Prize Application #373

Closed mattodd closed 8 years ago

mattodd commented 8 years ago

Further to initial sketches (here and here), @MedChemProf sourced a more professional-looking version, which is great. This Issue is to allow commenting/suggestions on this image, so is a sub-conversation of #371 . Feel free to add things below (assuming this is OK, Chase?) We need an image to get across the idea of what SCINDR is, at a glance, and also to break up what is otherwise uninterrupted text.

mattodd commented 8 years ago

My first two cents on this excellent first shot. It is rather better than mine.

i) Two researchers would be enough, rather than three, if there's a space issue. ii) Real peoples' faces are I think more impactful than the "Faceless" cartoons. iii) The molecule stuff in the "southeast" area is nonsense - we ought not to make bonding errors... Could one of the researchers have something biological behind them, like a cell? iv) I'm not a fan of the red and green scrolls up top and down bottom, and I don't like the font used - is that comic sans, in fact? *shudders v) I like the idea that SCINDR is actually looking at the researchers' work, rather than at us. Is there a way to convey that? I don't know. vi) Can "SCINDR" be on, or nearer, the robot? vii) Unlike @alintheopen I don't mind the cocktails and cheese at the bottom, but perhaps we're overdoing the booze with wine glasses up top too. I know alcohol is an integral part of high quality research methods the world over, but people might think SCINDR is trying to achieve something else.

drc007 commented 8 years ago

This looks excellent.

Would it be better if scientists wore lab coats etc.?

Most common colour blindness is red/green so avoid red text of green background

I’d make the world map a little darker

Since this is a software application perhaps have a molecule displayed on a computer screen?

Do you need to spell out what the acronym SCINDR stands for?

Can we make the cogs at the top right connect to something?

Instead of the rings bottom right how about using Artemisinin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemisinin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemisinin)

On 14 Feb 2016, at 12:21, Mat Todd notifications@github.com wrote:

My first two cents on this excellent first shot. It is rather better than mine.

i) Two researchers would be enough, rather than three, if there's a space issue. ii) Real peoples' faces are I think more impactful than the "Faceless" cartoons. iii) The molecule stuff in the "southeast" area is nonsense - we ought not to make bonding errors... Could one of the researchers have something biological behind them, like a cell? iv) I'm not a fan of the red and green scrolls up top and down bottom, and I don't like the font used - is that comic sans, in fact? *shudders v) I like the idea that SCINDR is actually looking at the researchers' work, rather than at us. Is there a way to convey that? I don't know. vi) Can "SCINDR" be on, or nearer, the robot? vii) Unlike @alintheopen https://github.com/alintheopen I don't mind the cocktails and cheese at the bottom, but perhaps we're overdoing the booze with wine glasses up top too. I know alcohol is an integral part of high quality research methods the world over, but people might think SCINDR is trying to achieve something else.

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MedChemProf commented 8 years ago

@mattodd @drc007 I simplified the drawing by removing one of the scientists and also the background. I think the white background will make it easier to paste into the proposal in the end. The new scientists are not actual pictures, but they do have lab coats on. I think the clipart images fit better with the infographic theme than real pictures. I made the map a little darker and removed the red/green text complication. I added the SCINDR and Mutual Intro to the center circle (I will need to work on the curvature to better match.) I removed the original clipart molecules and replaced them with one of the Type 4 structures that were actually working on between the two labs. I thought the two should be the same to emphasize the role of SCINDR. I also added the smaller image into the robot as suggested. scindredit

alintheopen commented 8 years ago

Thanks for the work Chase!

Agree with Chris that we need to spell out SCINDR acronym. Still not sure about the fonts or the rocket but I do prefer without alcohol and cocktail food as it confuses message in my opinion. I like the clipart scientists and labcoats to clarify the message and I think two is OK but would be good to maintain some of the cultural diversity in original image. What about arrows down from both of the scientists showing that they are interacting, on phone or via email and then linking to a new structure that is obviously a hybrid of the two originals?

MedChemProf commented 8 years ago

I did not have more than those two images with people in lab coats to choose from so I went with some new ones that show more diversity (but lost the lab coats). The middle is still a little busy, but tried to show the group coming together. Added larger workflow arrows to show things coming together through SCINDR. Removed rocket. Just let me know which fonts people prefer since I do not know what might work best. If anyone has an image of a better robot that might help. 1455553817

mattodd commented 8 years ago

You know, I think this is looking really nice. Other people inside the Circle of Collaboration is a nice touch. Still need, somehow, the words "Science Introduction Robot" somewhere, e.g. "I'm the Science Introduction Robot". If we can drop the Comic Sans font on the molecule atom letters, I'd be happy. Can discuss more in the hangout.

MedChemProf commented 8 years ago

@mattodd @alintheopen Please have a look at the latest version. I tried to add the requested text, but the center seemed to be too busy. So I removed the central circles and used the text to wrap SCINDR. osm_scindr

alintheopen commented 8 years ago

Yes! I like this - nice work Chase

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@mattodd https://github.com/mattodd @alintheopen https://github.com/alintheopen Please have a look at the latest version. I tried to add the requested text, but the center seemed to be too busy. So I removed the central circles and used the text to wrap SCINDR. [image: osm_scindr] https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/14179120/13098061/aef246f8-d4f4-11e5-8d49-dec2366a383e.jpg

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mattodd commented 8 years ago

Yep, that's great Chase. I'm going to add it to the proposal for circulation.

drc007 commented 8 years ago

This is brilliant

Chris

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@mattodd https://github.com/mattodd @alintheopen https://github.com/alintheopen Please have a look at the latest version. I tried to add the requested text, but the center seemed to be too busy. So I removed the central circles and used the text to wrap SCINDR. https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/14179120/13098061/aef246f8-d4f4-11e5-8d49-dec2366a383e.jpg — Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub https://github.com/OpenSourceMalaria/OSM_To_Do_List/issues/373#issuecomment-184982394.

MedChemProf commented 8 years ago

@mattodd I spoke with Mike Pollastri from Northeastern Univ. earlier this morning about their Collaborative NTD Drug Discovery program. I also mentioned our proposal regarding SCINDR. He was interested and agreed to have a look at the proposal that you are circulating to possibly interested groups. He also indicated that a letter of support should be possible. Would you be able to send him a copy of the draft submission that you are circulating? Thanks.

mattodd commented 8 years ago

Hi @MedChemProf - OK, the proposal ready to be viewed, apart from some technical comments that are needed from @lpatiny . Could you point him in the proposal's direction? A letter of support saying "This would be useful for health research" would be very good. The alternative, dragging ourselves into the 21st Century, is to ask for Tweets of support... @alintheopen ? Either way, comments from people who might like to use this would be useful to show that it'd be a great thing to develop.

alintheopen commented 8 years ago

I've done some Twitter and FB shares. Let's see how we go.

On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Mat Todd notifications@github.com wrote:

Hi @MedChemProf https://github.com/MedChemProf - OK, the proposal https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VPcpOaAK4OSdVB-qv1mN5l_cj74TKB55RuoP37MOC4s/edit?usp=sharing ready to be viewed, apart from some technical comments that are needed from @lpatiny https://github.com/lpatiny . Could you point him in the proposal's direction? A letter of support saying "This would be useful for health research" would be very good. The alternative, dragging ourselves into the 21st Century, is to ask for Tweets of support... @alintheopen https://github.com/alintheopen ? Either way, comments from people who might like to use this would be useful to show that it'd be a great thing to develop.

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alintheopen commented 8 years ago

Prize has been submitted, so closing. Other related discussions #372 are ongoing.