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MycetOS Meeting Tuesday Sept 29 2020 #35

Open kym834 opened 3 years ago

kym834 commented 3 years ago

This meeting follows on from the previous meeting (#28)

When: Tuesday 29th September 2020 at 4 pm AEST (Sydney, Australia)

Where: Held through Zoom

Who: @fantasy121, @kym834, @wwjvdsande, @MKonings, @Wilson-Lm, @mattodd, Peter Rutledge, @MFernflower, @dmitrij176, @alintheopen

Recording of the meeting Open Source Mycetoma Meeting 3 – 29 September 2020 - YouTube. Copy of chat here.

  1. Setting up MycetOS monthly meetings - Suggested by @mattodd (#31). @fantasy121 and @kym834 will coordinate these meetings and @Wilson-Lm to do promotions before and after the meetings on twitter. Time currently is 2 am in US. Will find a more friendly time slot. Probably won’t be able to accommodate everyone but may set up alternating time slots to share the late nights/early mornings.

  2. Ameoba progress - sent off compounds (2 active and 2 inactive). @MOUSEY007 posted: not great activity so not going to pursue further. Important result to add into our paper. New question - will these drugs be specific for eumycetoma or will they have other uses against other fungal infections? Can screen against a number of other microorganisms and causative agents for eumycetoma and causative agents for other diseases. There are a couple of examples of causative agents that are not inhibited by Itraconazole. All of this is good to show the boundaries of the drug. Question: who to do such testing?

  3. Team Erasmus update - 11 analogues set for /in vivo Galleria mellonella/ model. Slight delay due to issues with /in vivo/ model due to change in supplier. Tested the toxicity of these compounds, excluding 3 samples sent in June, found they are not toxic. There are 10 incoming analogues from Ghana that will be send soon for testing.

  4. Team UCL update - Completed and confirmed 2 new analogues and collected all data for the manuscript. Proposing an 8-oxa-3-azabicylcoc[3.2.1]octane compound and re-synth some aldoximes identified by Wendy in the Pandemic Response Box screen.

  5. Team USYD update - @fantasy121 has synthesised some new analogues without the pyridin-3-yl. New compounds with cyclohexane and phenyl as the third ring structure. Kymberley has started synthesis of some phenylpiperazine based compounds, up to the final step.

  6. Series 2 - Need to find out if we can get some aminothiazoles donated as these are commonly explored before we start committing to synthesis. @MFernflower found a paper that showed them to be active against MTB via targeting glycolysis - thinks most likely MOA is via inhibition of either enolase or succinate dehydrogenase. Should we test a succinate dehydrogenase inhibitor (SDHI) against mycetoma as a sanity check? @wwjvdsande will look into purchasing a SDHI to test.

AOB:

Action Items:

Next meeting

When: Tuesday October 27th, time TBD.

mattodd commented 3 years ago

Re my action item: I finally uploaded Rosalyn Chan's very nice thesis that includes all this work - sorry for the delay. The thesis is here with a CC-BY licence. It includes an analysis of the grain structure (thanks for all your help @wwjvdsande ) and assessment of whether there is correlation between potency and physicochemical parameters like logD and size. Concludes with the design of an assay we might want to consider for measuring grain penetration. Rosalyn has now graduated, but a new project student is incoming and I was thinking we could do worse than consider what is known about molecular penetration in other biofilm-like structures? i.e. what we might want to do to modify the fenarimols so that they go where we want them (while maintaining potency). The new student (Jia Lau) just joined Github and I'll ask them to start an issue to outline the project.

wwjvdsande commented 3 years ago

Hi Matt, one of our students Juli has now made an easy assay which shows that amphotericin B penetrates a hyphal clumb and itraconazole does not. This resembles what we see in our larval model. Itraconazole does not work, amphotericin B does. I think it is a good idea to screen the fenarimol library to see if it is also true for these molecules. If that is the case than we would already have a relatively simple and reproducible screening assay. However, what we don't have is fluorescent molecules which we could use to visualize it. Would that be something worth-wile for a new student project? It would be simply targeting a fluorescent molecule with different side chains to see where it ends up. The side chains could than probably define the logD or size of the molecule. I know I'm a biologist not a chemist but does that make sense? The assay the student made is not a grain. It is simply a hyphal clumb. We use this as a first step towards a more sophisticated grain model which we are trying to build.

MOUSEY007 commented 3 years ago

Dear all,

Apologies for not attending the meeting, I had a severe migraine and could not function. I reviewed the video discussion and will hope to attend the meeting on the 27th of this month to introduce myself and discuss any questions with regards to the pFLA data.

@wwjvdsande I'm unsure of your methodology but I attended a talk by Christina Hull at CBEP 2019 entitled "Spore Germination as a Target for Antifungal Drug Development" who used a pretty sophisticated and expensive way of assessing spore germination inhibitors against yeast and Cryptococcus. It may be useful to include a couple of the drugs identified as a potential control since they do penetrate the dormant and resistant stage of Cryptococcus. Although, these may be specific to Cryptococcus and not active against Mycetoma or other fungi. Here is a link to their publication: https://aac.asm.org/content/aac/63/12/e00994-19.full.pdf

Regards

Chris.

KYM384 commented 3 years ago

Hello. Nice to meet you. I'm a student in Japan. I've been receiving some emails from you guys for the past few days. I googled some of the jargon in the e-mails, and I thought that perhaps you are not spam, but real researchers or students. I'm sure you guys have the wrong Github account. I'm not a cytology major (Deep Learning is my major). Thank you.


差出人: Christopher Aaron Rice notifications@github.com 送信日時: 2020年10月12日 15:29 宛先: OpenSourceMycetoma/Series-1-Fenarimols Series-1-Fenarimols@noreply.github.com CC: KYM384 daiki.mamekku@hotmail.com; Mention mention@noreply.github.com 件名: Re: [OpenSourceMycetoma/Series-1-Fenarimols] MycetOS Meeting Tuesday Sept 29 2020 (#35)

Dear all,

Apologies for not attending the meeting, I had a severe migraine and could not function. I reviewed the video discussion and will hope to attend the meeting on the 27th of this month to introduce myself and discuss any questions with regards to the pFLA data.

@wwjvdsandehttps://github.com/wwjvdsande I'm unsure of your methodology but I attended a talk by Christina Hull at CBEP 2019 entitled "Spore Germination as a Target for Antifungal Drug Development" who used a pretty sophisticated and expensive way of assessing spore germination inhibitors against yeast and Cryptococcus. It may be useful to include a couple of the drugs identified as a potential control since they do penetrate the dormant and resistant stage of Cryptococcus. Although, these may be specific to Cryptococcus and not active against Mycetoma or other fungi. Here is a link to their publication: https://aac.asm.org/content/aac/63/12/e00994-19.full.pdf

Regards

Chris.

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MFernflower commented 3 years ago

I am very very sorry this was an issue with my phone's autocorrect @KYM384

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 1:24 PM KYM384 notifications@github.com wrote:

Hello. Nice to meet you. I'm a student in Japan. I've been receiving some emails from you guys for the past few days. I googled some of the jargon in the e-mails, and I thought that perhaps you are not spam, but real researchers or students. I'm sure you guys have the wrong Github account. I'm not a cytology major (Deep Learning is my major). Thank you.


差出人: Christopher Aaron Rice notifications@github.com 送信日時: 2020年10月12日 15:29 宛先: OpenSourceMycetoma/Series-1-Fenarimols < Series-1-Fenarimols@noreply.github.com> CC: KYM384 daiki.mamekku@hotmail.com; Mention < mention@noreply.github.com> 件名: Re: [OpenSourceMycetoma/Series-1-Fenarimols] MycetOS Meeting Tuesday Sept 29 2020 (#35)

Dear all,

Apologies for not attending the meeting, I had a severe migraine and could not function. I reviewed the video discussion and will hope to attend the meeting on the 27th of this month to introduce myself and discuss any questions with regards to the pFLA data.

@wwjvdsandehttps://github.com/wwjvdsande I'm unsure of your methodology but I attended a talk by Christina Hull at CBEP 2019 entitled "Spore Germination as a Target for Antifungal Drug Development" who used a pretty sophisticated and expensive way of assessing spore germination inhibitors against yeast and Cryptococcus. It may be useful to include a couple of the drugs identified as a potential control since they do penetrate the dormant and resistant stage of Cryptococcus. Although, these may be specific to Cryptococcus and not active against Mycetoma or other fungi. Here is a link to their publication: https://aac.asm.org/content/aac/63/12/e00994-19.full.pdf

Regards

Chris.

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