Help sizing and verifying the structural components of the (3) various enclosure assemblies

theoryshaw commented 9 years ago

Hi @stevenuecke / @andyeck1, (ping @kraut34)

Was wondering if you could help sizing and verifying the structural components of the (3) various enclosure assemblies for this sports complex.

Here are the latest Drawings
- Latest PDF 20% CD set here from the latest Revit model here
- PDF of preliminary details here from the Revit Detail file here
Wall Assemblies
- 1a - Resin Panel Wall
- Stonewood Exterior Resin Panels oriented vertically with 1/4" open joints
  - thickness options: 5/16”, 3/8”, 1/2”
- Vertical 1 5/8" (could increase depth if necessary) galvanized furring C channel - help sizing gauge.
  - size to accommodate lateral live load
  - size to accommodate adjacent storefront jamb
- UV stable water resistant vapor permeable air barrier
- 1" (may change) rigid mineral wood insulation
- 3/4" Exterior grade, fire retardant plywood
  - oriented horizontally, fastened top and bottom (4ft+/-) O.C. to horizontal 'C' girts.
  - vertical studs are NOT planned at the 8ft edges of the sheathing.
- 8" horizontal 'C' girts 4ft(+/-) O.C.
  - The metal building manufacture (Foremost) is sizing the girts throughout project FYI, the criteria they are using (let me know if your recommend different criteria)...
  - Horizontal movement in the frames will be limited to H/200.
  - Girts will be limited to L/240.
  - see CDs, the locations around a long run of storefront are only at 8ft a.f.f. (that is, no 4ft a.f.f. girt)
- 3/4" grade B interior plywood with Class B flame spread
  - oriented horizontally, fastened top and bottom (4ft+/-) O.C. to horizontal 'C' girts.
  - vertical studs are NOT planned at the 8ft edges of the sheathing.
  - Exposed Fasteners
- 1b - Resin Panel at certain parapet conditions.
- Stonewood Panel
- Vertical galvanized furring
- horizontal galvanized girts attached to column stubs through metal roofing.
- 2 - Polycarbonate Wall
- arcoPlus®547
  - clips fastened to (4ft+/-) O.C. to horizontal 'C' or 'Z' girts.
  - Alum. profiles at jamb/head/sill.
  - (size?) Galvanized 'L' attached to 'Z' girt in 2-story fieldhouse.
- 3 - Storefront
- Tubelite - 14000 Series Storefront Framing
  - Insulated Glazing
- See elevations/sections for vertical/horizontal spacing of mullions
- 4 - Metal panel wall (Foremost to size)
- Vertically oriented 7.2 Panel
- 1" thermal blocks at horizontal girts.
- 10" girts
- Batt Insulation
- 3/4" grade B interior plywood with Class B flame spread (up to 12ft a.f.f. on North/West/East fieldhouse walls - up to 16ft a.f.f. on South fieldhouse wall.
  - oriented horizontally, fastened top and bottom (4ft+/-) O.C. to horizontal 'C' girts.
  - vertical studs are NOT planned at the 8ft edges of the sheathing.
  - Exposed Fasteners

Please let me know if you need additional information.

Thanks Much, Ryan

theoryshaw commented 9 years ago

Hi @andyeck1, i'd say this in next priority. Thanks Much, Ryan

kraut34 commented 9 years ago

Just a couple thoughts on the wall components. I would like to use glass rock if at all possible on the exterior portion of the resin panels. Also, after talking with Todd on the interior finishes, we want to use interior resin panels instead of plywood. Obviously we need to see if can span far enough and remain rigid, or figure out a quick inexpensive way to block the areas where it would be spanning too far.

Ryan, do you want me to contact the rep about the interior panels?

Toby Krause Krause Custom Builders 920-285-6490

On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Ryan Schultz notifications@github.com wrote:

Hi @andyeck1 https://github.com/andyeck1, i'd say this in next priority. Thanks Much, Ryan

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theoryshaw commented 9 years ago

@andyeck1,

Had a chat with Toby, as he indicated, he'd like to explore using 'glass rock' on the exterior of (1a - Resin Panel Wall) assembly. Would this be doable without vertical blocking between hort. girts if we engaged the exterior C channels for wind loading?

Also, as indicated, they are looking to use Stonewood™ Interior Architectural Panels for the interior panels, verse plywood. As I'm pretty confident, no matter the thickness of this product, that it will not hold up to 4ft o.c. spacing at the hort. girts, Toby was wondering if we could use vertical 'coil straps' 16" or 24" o.c. to provide sufficient rigidity. That or a sandwich system, with something like 1/2" plywood under the interior resin panel.

Go Here for Flexural Strength, Flexural Modulus, Tensile Modulus of these interior panels.

And Here for exterior panels.

Thanks Much.

theoryshaw commented 9 years ago

@andyeck1

Strike the request to explore using the resin panels on the interior. Too expensive.

Would still, however, like to explore 'glass rock' on the exterior.

Thanks, Ryan

andyeck1 commented 9 years ago

@theoryshaw We designed the furring channels to support the exterior plywood and it can be either a 162S125-33 (1-5/8" C stud w/ 1.25 flange by 33 mils - no punchouts allowed) or a Dietrich Furring/Hat channel - 150F125-43 (1-1/2" furring channel by 18 ga ).

http://submittalpro.clarkdietrich.com/pdf_download/1731879547/CD_150F125-43.pdf

theoryshaw commented 9 years ago

Thanks Andy. By engaging these channels, can we use exterior Denslgass or similar?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/neg2c0bbfyd9vex/20150618%20-%20densglass%20on%20exterior.pdf?dl=0

Thanks.

theoryshaw commented 9 years ago

@tfodden

tfodden commented 9 years ago

Thanks Ryan. What is glass rock?

theoryshaw commented 9 years ago

Densglass material, basically.

theoryshaw commented 9 years ago

Hi @andyeck1

Did you find some resolution on the exterior sheathing approach for the resin panel wall?

Also could you help size the steel angle holding up the polycarbonate

1st Detail...

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2nd detail...

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3rd Detail...

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kraut34 commented 9 years ago

I had a question from Kurt Shiel at Jefferson Glass. He was wondering if the polycarbonate came all the way down to the metal roof on the field house above the single story areas. It couldn't tell from the print.

Toby Krause Krause Custom Builders 920-285-6490

On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Ryan Schultz notifications@github.com wrote:

Hi @andyeck1 https://github.com/andyeck1

Did you find some resolution on the exterior sheathing approach for the resin panel wall?

Also could you help size the steel angle holding up the polycarbonate

1st Detail... [image: image] https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/507113/8364617/2a08d288-1b4d-11e5-9c4a-6bc7cbf02819.png

Happens here...

[image: image] https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/507113/8364924/461a0418-1b4f-11e5-8361-3f3ecfcdfc8d.png

2nd detail...

[image: screenhunter_293 jun 04 09 50] https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/507113/7987069/d7ffd02a-0aa0-11e5-9b67-409065454c61.jpg

Happens here...

[image: image] https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/507113/8364894/18aacf4e-1b4f-11e5-9d22-a51cb8905acf.png

3rd Detail...

[image: image] https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/507113/8364766/3a0eebf8-1b4e-11e5-9d07-22b18c234d40.png

Happens here... [image: image] https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/507113/8364947/7dd16b08-1b4f-11e5-8ecd-e566016adcaf.png

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theoryshaw commented 9 years ago

no, it does this...

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