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[CTW/40v40] Kingdom #881

Closed Scripteding closed 1 month ago

Scripteding commented 4 months ago

Checklist

Map Name

Kingdom

Gamemode & Map Description

Classic CTW gamemode taking battle out on fields of kingdoms!

Team Sizes

2 Teams, 40 Each

Screenshots

https://imgur.com/a/VmDxuoP

XML

https://gist.github.com/Scripteding/4f27acc2efb48a190ee10cbde9200521

Map Image

map

Map Download

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZIzNHRMLdvSeEf2AYYKFaeqMZLV6lnMC/view?usp=sharing

Scripteding commented 4 months ago

Updated XML & Tested Locally: https://gist.github.com/Scripteding/deb93845d945b36b0f05d146547c966a

arcadeboss commented 4 months ago

I like big maps, I cannot lie.

Appreciate your audacity on this. 350 blocks deep (spawn to spawn) and 200 wide (left wool spawner to right wool spawner) is one of the larger I've seen.

40 players per team, fat.

You are making me feel better about my 280 deep (spawn) x 240 wide (wool) map I'm working on that I thought might be too big.

calcastor commented 4 months ago

Would like to load this soon to at least get it tested. I am concerned it's too large to have a good match on but this wouldn't be the first map.

A couple notes:

  1. I would avoid making the cobweb outlines a solid line of cobweb. It would be better to make them spaced out by 3 or so blocks, or even more than 3. Makes it harder for players to get stuck in when falling.
  2. Regardless of any XML workarounds, please extend the bedrock underneath the wool lanes to y-level 0.
calcastor commented 4 months ago

Some more notes, mostly XML side:

  1. Use <include id="gapple-kill-reward"/>; to do so just add the line in quotes for the include but also remove the golden apple kill reward.
  2. This needs golden apples, wood planks, and stained glass in <itemkeep/>.
  3. Given the size of this map, players should have two stacks of wood at minimum. I would consider raising the stained glass to a full stack as well.
  4. I would double the kill reward amount to 32 and 16 for wood and glass respectively.
  5. Is glass as a kill reward instead of team-color'd stained glass intentional?
Scripteding commented 4 months ago

@calcastor Thanks for the feedback, I should have an updated version within the next 1-2 hours from now.

To address points mentioned above, I don't expect the map to be played as much besides the weekends due to player counts, hence being 40v40. It would still be great whenever there's enough of a player count to see how gameplay is affected to see if there's anything else missing. The glass as a kill reward is also a mistake & should be patched with the referenced attribute above. Everything else makes sense and should be pushed within the next version.

Scripteding commented 4 months ago

Hi @calcastor, here's an updated version that includes those changes above. Let me know if anything else pops up!

Map Download (+includes xml & png): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RCBu_qsSArGda7xg2DJL-ivCETu10Jjz/view?usp=sharing

calcastor commented 4 months ago

Loaded in baeefcf07e53336909cc29017f90e7a5b9a3600d

technodono commented 4 months ago

Map Image

map

Looking at the map image here I'm slightly concerned that the amount of anvils in the build may cause some lag. This isn't a big issue by any means but something to consider when working with blocks like fences, gates, anvils... e.c.t

eliminate123 commented 3 months ago

Its great seeing new mapmakers. Heres my feedback/opinions on how to improve this map/other maps you make in the future.

1) This map could benefit from larger markers over each wool room. Currently there are flags but they are quite small. Also some flags are harder to see bc of the way they are facing. Making the flags larger and facing east to west should fix this. Also the flags above wool rooms can be destroyed by trolls, maybe making them indestructible would be beneficial. Some maps have symbols above and on the sides of wool rooms.

2) Each spawn could benefit from more red/blue coloring. I can see players being confused which spawn is what due to render distanced and unloaded chunks. More flags could help.

3) Close off unused buildings in the spawns. There are some buildings without any interior (which is perfectly fine) but blocking off the entrances to them with closed doors and blacking out the windows could make them look better.

4) I think the wool monuments could use some details around them maybe a 3x3 pillar or something just so they are a bit more obvious and harder to miss (players are stupid and blind most of the time). Could even just add some colored clay around the base of them.

5) The back pit of each wool room could benefit from being 2-3 blocks deeper (I personally think it would be fine without the bedrock steps in the back pit). Also pink and purple wool rooms are missing a column of buttons (https://i.imgur.com/JBHPH0z.png)

6) I think it could be beneficial for players not to build in the void circle in the middle of the map. This would add some chokepoints on each side of the circle. It would also deter just making a skybridge that is completely flat

7) In the future I personally would avoid having lanes that dont really lead anywhere like this for example (https://i.imgur.com/S43LRw0.jpeg). Although it leads to a bridge, I can see it getting blocked with bridges/stairs/blockspam as the game continues. I personally like to have a zipper approach to my lanes (where one side goes in and the other goes out). This is an example on one of my maps (https://i.imgur.com/nNKJR3X.png). Snow Level by Tkes is a great example of this (https://i.imgur.com/TB32TOk.jpeg). Even just extending a lane 2 blocks out where you want people to bridge from is beneficial

I think something along the lines of this would be beneficial and lead players to the desired route to the other side (https://i.imgur.com/oY7hE73.jpeg). Where the cross hatch is a section that could be removed (makes it a bit easier for attackers).

8) I love hoppers/cauldrons/anvils too and I know theres not many block choices in 1.8 but as others mentioned they might lag players. You would be surprised how many players on the server have bad computers.

Other than that this is a very nice map with appealing aesthetics. Its great to see more people making maps. The server thrives off community made maps, and I can see this map being very popular with players as time continues. I find creating a good layout is the hardest part of map making, but practice makes perfect. I look forward to the maps you two will make in the future.

eliminate123 commented 3 months ago

Its great seeing new mapmakers. Heres my feedback/opinions on how to improve this map/other maps you make in the future.

  1. This map could benefit from larger markers over each wool room. Currently there are flags but they are quite small. Also some flags are harder to see bc of the way they are facing. Making the flags larger and facing east to west should fix this. Also the flags above wool rooms can be destroyed by trolls, maybe making them indestructible would be beneficial. Some maps have symbols above and on the sides of wool rooms.
  2. Each spawn could benefit from more red/blue coloring. I can see players being confused which spawn is what due to render distanced and unloaded chunks. More flags could help.
  3. Close off unused buildings in the spawns. There are some buildings without any interior (which is perfectly fine) but blocking off the entrances to them with closed doors and blacking out the windows could make them look better.
  4. I think the wool monuments could use some details around them maybe a 3x3 pillar or something just so they are a bit more obvious and harder to miss (players are stupid and blind most of the time). Could even just add some colored clay around the base of them.
  5. The back pit of each wool room could benefit from being 2-3 blocks deeper (I personally think it would be fine without the bedrock steps in the back pit). Also pink and purple wool rooms are missing a column of buttons (https://i.imgur.com/JBHPH0z.png)
  6. I think it could be beneficial for players not to build in the void circle in the middle of the map. This would add some chokepoints on each side of the circle. It would also deter just making a skybridge that is completely flat
  7. In the future I personally would avoid having lanes that dont really lead anywhere like this for example (https://i.imgur.com/S43LRw0.jpeg). Although it leads to a bridge, I can see it getting blocked with bridges/stairs/blockspam as the game continues. I personally like to have a zipper approach to my lanes (where one side goes in and the other goes out). This is an example on one of my maps (https://i.imgur.com/nNKJR3X.png). Snow Level by Tkes is a great example of this (https://i.imgur.com/TB32TOk.jpeg). Even just extending a lane 2 blocks out where you want people to bridge from is beneficial

I think something along the lines of this would be beneficial and lead players to the desired route to the other side (https://i.imgur.com/oY7hE73.jpeg). Where the cross hatch is a section that could be removed (makes it a bit easier for attackers).

  1. I love hoppers/cauldrons/anvils too and I know theres not many block choices in 1.8 but as others mentioned they might lag players. You would be surprised how many players on the server have bad computers.

Other than that this is a very nice map with appealing aesthetics. Its great to see more people making maps. The server thrives off community made maps, and I can see this map being very popular with players as time continues. I find creating a good layout is the hardest part of map making, but practice makes perfect. I look forward to the maps you two will make in the future.

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Scripteding commented 3 months ago

@eliminate123 Thanks for all of the feedback provided! I've gone ahead and pushed the first update that involves points 1-5 (#899 ). Those points seemed the easiest to change so I've gone ahead and made those QOL changes. For points 6-8, I'll eventually want to address them, however I'd like to see how the map plays at a 35v35/40v40 player count first. There might be a need for a rework of mid, especially since the map already feel pretty long with the last game going over an hour with 23v23 player counts. Lastly for point 8 since it's not related to testing the map, I'll want to change those blocks out eventually although it mostly just takes time haha. I appreciate the time spent on giving feedback and hopefully helps the map run a bit better than prior versions.