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Rupture Incorrectly Scales Bleed Duration #8333

Closed chrstophr-wltrs closed 3 weeks ago

chrstophr-wltrs commented 3 weeks ago

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What platform are you running Path of Building on?

Windows

What is the value from the calculation in-game?

The "Rupture" debuff applied by the Rupture support gem has the line:

Bleeding expires 25% more quickly per Rupture from Supported Skills on targets

At 3 stacks, this would suggest that bleeds have 75% less duration on the target, (barring effects like Temporal Chains, which have additive effects with expiration rate).

The example build uses Puncture, which has a base bleed duration of 6 seconds and that duration scales with increased skill effect duration. Between ailment and skill effect duration, the example build has 54% increased duration of bleeding from Puncture. The build also has a total of "bleeding deals damage 74% faster."

With 0 Rupture stacks, the bleed duration is calculated perfectly: 6 * 1.54 / 1.74 = 5.31 seconds (screenshot 1)

At 3 Rupture stacks, the bleed duration should have 75% less duration: 6 * 1.54 * 0.25 / 1.74 = 1.33 seconds

What is the value from the calculation in Path of Building?

As it currently stands, PoB kind of obfuscates how the calculations work, taking all of the duration and "expires" modifiers to result in a "duration modifier."

With a single stack of Rupture, this duration modifier goes from 1.54 to 1.23, a decrease of 20.1%. (Screenshot 2) I'm not sure how PoB reaches this number, given that this number doesn't work if you apply the Rupture duration additively (1.29) or multiplicatively (1.15).

The effect is only more pronounced at 3 Rupture stacks: 1.54 becomes 0.88, a 42.9% decrease, or 14.3% per stack. (Screenshot 3)

How to reproduce the issue

  1. Select Puncture of Shanking as the main skill
  2. Add Rupture as a support gem for Puncture of Shanking
  3. Equip a plain Pneumatic Dagger as the primary weapon in the main hand
  4. Equip 'The Tempest Rising,' with '5% ailment duration' and '25% faster'
  5. Go to the 'Configuration' tab
  6. Set '# of Rupture Stacks' to 0
  7. Go to the 'Calcs' tab, make sure 'Puncture of Shanking' is set as active socket group and skill
  8. Hover over the 'Bleed Duration' value under the 'Bleed' card
  9. Duration modifier should be 1.05, damage rate modifier should be 1.25
  10. Go back to Configuration, set number of Rupture stacks to 1
  11. In Calcs, check the bleed duration again
  12. Duration modifier should be 0.79, actually is 0.84
  13. In Configuration, set Rupture stacks to 2
  14. Duration modifier should be 0.53, actually is 0.70
  15. Configuration, set Rupture stacks to 3
  16. Duration modifier should be 0.26, actually is 0.60

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majochem commented 3 weeks ago

Bleeding expires 25% more quickly per Rupture from Supported Skills on targets

At 3 stacks, this would suggest that bleeds have 75% less duration on the target

this is not correct.

"expires x% more quickly" is not the same as "x% less duration". More quickly is simply a multiplicative expiration rate modifier. 100% faster expiry is half duration, not zero duration. This is also explained on the linked wiki page for expiration rate .

Current PoB calculation is correct as: duration / ( 1 + ( 0.25 * rupture stacks)) = 0.571 duration or 42.9% less

chrstophr-wltrs commented 3 weeks ago

Oh! Today I learned. In retrospect, this seems like it should have been obvious. I appreciate the explanation, even if it was probably frustrating to explain something that was on a page I linked in my original post.