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Build Issues with perl5.005.2 on AIX 4.3.2.0 #784

Closed p5pRT closed 20 years ago

p5pRT commented 24 years ago

Migrated from rt.perl.org#1711 (status was 'resolved')

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p5pRT commented 24 years ago

From BFrench@usdl.com

The output from myconfig.....

Summary of my perl5 (5.0 patchlevel 5 subversion 2) configuration​:   Platform​:   osname=aix\, osvers=4.3.2.0\, archname=aix   uname='aix u-sewpbcbo-vis2 3 4 00059247a100 '   hint=recommended\, useposix=true\, d_sigaction=define   usethreads=undef useperlio=undef d_sfio=undef   Compiler​:   cc='gcc'\, optimize='-O'\, gccversion=2.95.1 19990816 (release)   cppflags='-D_ALL_SOURCE -D_ANSI_C_SOURCE -D_POSIX_SOURCE -I/usr/local/include'   ccflags ='-D_ALL_SOURCE -D_ANSI_C_SOURCE -D_POSIX_SOURCE -I/usr/local/include'   stdchar='unsigned char'\, d_stdstdio=define\, usevfork=false   intsize=4\, longsize=4\, ptrsize=4\, doublesize=8   d_longlong=define\, longlongsize=8\, d_longdbl=define\, longdblsize=8   alignbytes=8\, usemymalloc=n\, prototype=define   Linker and Libraries​:   ld='ld'\, ldflags =''   libpth=/usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/powerpc-ibm-aix4.3.2.0/2.95.1   libs=   libc=\, so=a\, useshrplib=false\, libperl=libperl.a   Dynamic Linking​:   dlsrc=dl_none.xs\, dlext=none\, d_dlsymun=undef\, ccdlflags=''   cccdlflags=''\, lddlflags=''

p5pRT commented 24 years ago

From @jhi

Bob French writes​:

Hi\, I've just completed a good build with AIX 4.3.2.0 using gcc 2.95.1 There were some problems with the hints and I needed to add -lmssa in order to get the math functions to work I've still got the build dir intact so if I can send you anything to help let me know

Well\, first of all​: why 5.005_02? There's 5.005_03 availabled.

Secondly​: -lmssa for the math functions? Surely -lm would have been enough? What kind of problems with the hints (any other than the -lmssa thing)?

-- $jhi++; # http​://www.iki.fi/jhi/   # There is this special biologist word we use for 'stable'.   # It is 'dead'. -- Jack Cohen

p5pRT commented 24 years ago

From @jhi

Bob French writes​:

Why 5.005_02? because thats what showed at gnu.org at the time. I've gone to the perl site and will give 5.005_03 a whirl.

As far as -lmssa goes\, it's the Sys V version versus the IEEE lib and unless I included it I got undefined math functions. I feel the same way you do that -lm should take care of all math functions perl needs. It may be a problem with AIX I'll look into it.

The only other thing I needed to was to add /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/powerpc-ibm-aix4.3.2.0/2.95.1 because it wasn't looking in the powerpc* directory\, This may be an option I could change but I didn't know where to do it.

What was it looking *for* that could only be found in the powerpc*?

If you'd like me to I'll let you know how the 5.005_03 build goes.

Yes\, please.

-- $jhi++; # http​://www.iki.fi/jhi/   # There is this special biologist word we use for 'stable'.   # It is 'dead'. -- Jack Cohen

p5pRT commented 24 years ago

From [Unknown Contact. See original ticket]

Bob French writes​:

Why 5.005_02? because thats what showed at gnu.org at the time. I've gone to the perl site and will give 5.005_03 a whirl.

This is far from the first time that someone has (possibly) wasted their time by putting effort into an out-of date version. Would the attached patch to INSTALL be a Good Thing?

I had a slight difficulty in choosing the URL to include. Ideally it should lead somewhere which says authoritatively "Latest is 5.005_03". The only authoritative source is CPAN; on CPAN this information is only obviously available encoded in the URL itself

  http​://www.perl.com/CPAN/src/latest_is_5.005_03

and including that would be self-defeating. And also\, if you do try to look at that\, you get a really exciting blank page. Should there be a file somewhere (e.g. at http​://www.perl.com/CPAN/src/latest ) which contains just that statement?

Mike Guy

Inline Patch ```diff --- ./INSTALL.orig Mon Sep 27 03:46:42 1999 +++ ./INSTALL Wed Oct 27 13:22:37 1999 @@ -4,6 +4,10 @@ =head1 SYNOPSIS +First, make sure you are installing an up-to-date version of Perl. If +you didn't get your Perl source from CPAN, check the latest version at +. + The basic steps to build and install perl5 on a Unix system are: rm -f config.sh Policy.sh @@ -27,8 +31,6 @@ make make test make install - -Full configuration instructions can be found in the INSTALL file. For information on non-Unix systems, see the section on L<"Porting information"> below. End of patch ```
p5pRT commented 24 years ago

From @jhi

M.J.T. Guy writes​:

Bob French writes​:

Why 5.005_02? because thats what showed at gnu.org at the time. I've gone to the perl site and will give 5.005_03 a whirl.

This is far from the first time that someone has (possibly) wasted their time by putting effort into an out-of date version. Would the attached patch to INSTALL be a Good Thing?

I had a slight difficulty in choosing the URL to include. Ideally it should lead somewhere which says authoritatively "Latest is 5.005_03". The only authoritative source is CPAN; on CPAN this information is only obviously available encoded in the URL itself

 http&#8203;://www\.perl\.com/CPAN/src/latest\_is\_5\.005\_03

and including that would be self-defeating. And also\, if you do try to look at that\, you get a really exciting blank page. Should there be a file somewhere (e.g. at http​://www.perl.com/CPAN/src/latest ) which contains just that statement?

Such as the http​://www.perl.com/CPAN/src/latest.tar.gz and http​://www.perl.com/CPAN/src/latest.zip\, explained in http​://www.perl.com/CPAN/src/README...?

-- $jhi++; # http​://www.iki.fi/jhi/   # There is this special biologist word we use for 'stable'.   # It is 'dead'. -- Jack Cohen

p5pRT commented 24 years ago

From [Unknown Contact. See original ticket]

Jarkko Hietaniemi \jhi@&#8203;iki\.fi wrote

Such as the http​://www.perl.com/CPAN/src/latest.tar.gz and http​://www.perl.com/CPAN/src/latest.zip\, explained in http​://www.perl.com/CPAN/src/README...?

Well\, that's what the given URL gets you. But that exactly misses my point\, probably because I didn't express myself clearly.

The situation being addressed is where someone has got hold of something labelled "Perl" and possibly also "latest" from\, err\, perhaps Matt's Script Archive. The problem is that _every_ (production) version of Perl has the label "latest" at some point of its life cycle. So we need to point to something which contains the explicit numbers 5.005_03\, to distinguish from all the other "latest" versions.

The simplest fix would be if the README on CPAN/src contained somewhere prominent the words "Latest is 5.005_03". And if this info was automatically updated when the "latest" changes\, of course.

Mike Guy

p5pRT commented 24 years ago

From [Unknown Contact. See original ticket]

M.J.T. Guy [mjtg@​cus.cam.ac.uk] quoth​: *> *>The simplest fix would be if the README on CPAN/src contained somewhere *>prominent the words "Latest is 5.005_03". And if this info was *>automatically updated when the "latest" changes\, of course.

The people would might need that probably are the same crowd that don't read README's. Also\, on the top of www.perl.com is a banner saying " Perl Versions​: Stable is 5.005_03. Devel is 5.005_62. "

If people care to look\, I think the information is there...unless I missed something here.

e.

p5pRT commented 24 years ago

From [Unknown Contact. See original ticket]

People\, Let me take a bow here\, I was rushed and just grabbed the version that was on the gnu page instead of going to CPAN and checking out the README I usually do.

If anything I would suggest that the link on the GNU page just point you to the perl source dir on CPAN and leave it to the user to get the right version. The way it looks now you would think that 5.005_02 is the current latest.

Anyway I've got 5.005_03 and I'll build it this evening

Thanks -Bob French

-----Original Message----- From​: Elaine -HFB- Ashton [mailto​:elaine@​chaos.wustl.edu] Sent​: Wednesday\, October 27\, 1999 8​:53 AM To​: M.J.T. Guy Cc​: Bob French; perl5-porters@​perl.org Subject​: Re​: [ID 19991025.007] Build Issues with perl5.005.2 on AIX 4.3.2.0

M.J.T. Guy [mjtg@​cus.cam.ac.uk] quoth​: *> *>The simplest fix would be if the README on CPAN/src contained somewhere *>prominent the words "Latest is 5.005_03". And if this info was *>automatically updated when the "latest" changes\, of course.

The people would might need that probably are the same crowd that don't read README's. Also\, on the top of www.perl.com is a banner saying " Perl Versions​: Stable is 5.005_03. Devel is 5.005_62. "

If people care to look\, I think the information is there...unless I missed something here.

e.

p5pRT commented 24 years ago

From @jhi

Bob French writes​:

People\, Let me take a bow here\, I was rushed and just grabbed the version that was on the gnu page instead of going to CPAN and checking out the README I usually do.

If anything I would suggest that the link on the GNU page just point you to the perl source dir on CPAN and leave it to the user to get the right

We be no GNU.

Though Perl is sometimes mistakenly said to be "GNUware"\, it isn't.

version. The way it looks now you would think that 5.005_02 is the current latest.

Anyway I've got 5.005_03 and I'll build it this evening

Thanks -Bob French

-----Original Message----- From​: Elaine -HFB- Ashton [mailto​:elaine@​chaos.wustl.edu] Sent​: Wednesday\, October 27\, 1999 8​:53 AM To​: M.J.T. Guy Cc​: Bob French; perl5-porters@​perl.org Subject​: Re​: [ID 19991025.007] Build Issues with perl5.005.2 on AIX 4.3.2.0

M.J.T. Guy [mjtg@​cus.cam.ac.uk] quoth​: *> *>The simplest fix would be if the README on CPAN/src contained somewhere *>prominent the words "Latest is 5.005_03". And if this info was *>automatically updated when the "latest" changes\, of course.

The people would might need that probably are the same crowd that don't read README's. Also\, on the top of www.perl.com is a banner saying " Perl Versions​: Stable is 5.005_03. Devel is 5.005_62. "

If people care to look\, I think the information is there...unless I missed something here.

e.

-- $jhi++; # http​://www.iki.fi/jhi/   # There is this special biologist word we use for 'stable'.   # It is 'dead'. -- Jack Cohen

p5pRT commented 24 years ago

From @jhi

Bob French writes​:

People\, Let me take a bow here\, I was rushed and just grabbed the version that was on the gnu page instead of going to CPAN and checking out the README I usually do.

If anything I would suggest that the link on the GNU page just point you to the perl source dir on CPAN and leave it to the user to get the right

I'll ask the GNUfolk to fix the situation.

-- $jhi++; # http​://www.iki.fi/jhi/   # There is this special biologist word we use for 'stable'.   # It is 'dead'. -- Jack Cohen

p5pRT commented 24 years ago

From [Unknown Contact. See original ticket]

I know but you have a link from there and those of us that work with gcc and other GNU tools tend to use it as a base page. Just a suggestion anyway

-----Original Message----- From​: Jarkko Hietaniemi [mailto​:jhi@​iki.fi] Sent​: Wednesday\, October 27\, 1999 3​:05 PM To​: Bob French Cc​: 'Elaine -HFB- Ashton'; M.J.T. Guy; perl5-porters@​perl.org Subject​: RE​: [ID 19991025.007] Build Issues with perl5.005.2 on AIX 4.3.2. 0

Bob French writes​:

People\, Let me take a bow here\, I was rushed and just grabbed the version that was on the gnu page instead of going to CPAN and checking out the README I usually do.

If anything I would suggest that the link on the GNU page just point you to the perl source dir on CPAN and leave it to the user to get the right

We be no GNU.

Though Perl is sometimes mistakenly said to be "GNUware"\, it isn't.

version. The way it looks now you would think that 5.005_02 is the current latest.

Anyway I've got 5.005_03 and I'll build it this evening

Thanks -Bob French

-----Original Message----- From​: Elaine -HFB- Ashton [mailto​:elaine@​chaos.wustl.edu] Sent​: Wednesday\, October 27\, 1999 8​:53 AM To​: M.J.T. Guy Cc​: Bob French; perl5-porters@​perl.org Subject​: Re​: [ID 19991025.007] Build Issues with perl5.005.2 on AIX 4.3.2.0

M.J.T. Guy [mjtg@​cus.cam.ac.uk] quoth​: *> *>The simplest fix would be if the README on CPAN/src contained somewhere *>prominent the words "Latest is 5.005_03". And if this info was *>automatically updated when the "latest" changes\, of course.

The people would might need that probably are the same crowd that don't read README's. Also\, on the top of www.perl.com is a banner saying " Perl Versions​: Stable is 5.005_03. Devel is 5.005_62. "

If people care to look\, I think the information is there...unless I missed something here.

e.

-- $jhi++; # http​://www.iki.fi/jhi/   # There is this special biologist word we use for 'stable'.   # It is 'dead'. -- Jack Cohen

p5pRT commented 24 years ago

From @jhi

Jarkko Hietaniemi writes​:

Bob French writes​:

People\, Let me take a bow here\, I was rushed and just grabbed the version that was on the gnu page instead of going to CPAN and checking out the README I usually do.

If anything I would suggest that the link on the GNU page just point you to the perl source dir on CPAN and leave it to the user to get the right

I'll ask the GNUfolk to fix the situation.

Ummm. From where\, exactly\, on the gnu page did you get the 5.005_02?

ftp.gnu.org​:/gnu/perl/ does have 5.005_03 (though named 5.005.03...)

\<...> Hrrrm. If the timestamps do not lie the 5.005_03 has been added there Oct the 26th\, so maybe somebody else has complained.

As I said\, we (the Perl developers) have no relation to the GNU project. The GNU people control all the material and links at gnu.org sites\, we have nothing to do with that.

The only GNUish thing in Perl is that it is okay to distribute Perl under the Gnu Public License.

-- $jhi++; # http​://www.iki.fi/jhi/   # There is this special biologist word we use for 'stable'.   # It is 'dead'. -- Jack Cohen

p5pRT commented 24 years ago

From [Unknown Contact. See original ticket]

This makes me wonder if the GNU folks have stale releases\, how many other sites do too. Perhaps it should be noted either in the readme or in Configure that if you didn't get the source from CPAN or perl.com that you might not have the latest stable release.

Just a thought.

e.