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whole plant #69

Closed planteome-user closed 9 years ago

planteome-user commented 14 years ago

def'n: A plant structure which is a whole organism (from POC meeting in Ithaca, Dec 09)

On the conference calls on Feb 16th and 23rd, we had fairly extensive discussions of the functionality of keeping gametophyte and sporophyte as siblings to whole plant.

We agreed that our guiding principles should be:

A few examples of whole plant are embryo and seed.

Reported by: cooperl09

Original Ticket: obo/plant-ontology-po-term-requests/69

planteome-user commented 14 years ago

Does it make sense to have gametophyte and sporophyte be part_of whole plant, so everything that is part of them, will automatically be part of whole plant? That way they wouldn’t have the is_a link to whole plant that we don’t want, but they would still be logically connected.

There will already be implicit part_of links to whole plant for all gametophyte or sporophyte structures through the general terms that are part_of whole plant, but it might make sense to make the link explicit. For example: microphyll is_a phyllome, which is part_of whole plant, but microphyll is also part_of gametophyte. If gametophyte is part_of whole plant, microphyll will be part_of whole plant no matter which path one takes.

On may argue that gametophyte and sporophyte are whole plants, but we already decided not to make them is_a children of whole plant, for operational reasons. In any case, since part_of relationship does not exclude them from being the whole thing (doesn't have to be a proper part), this should not be a problem.

Gametophyte and sporophyte are siblings of whole plant (all are is_a children of plant structure), but I don't know if it is a bad idea to have one sibling be part_of another sibling.

Original comment by: rlwalls2008

planteome-user commented 14 years ago

Original comment by: cooperl09

planteome-user commented 14 years ago

problem is the children e.g PO:0020091. With your plan it will say that pollen (by synonym of PO:0020091) is a whole plant by way of is_a gametophyte. If we do so, we will have to create terms that truly reflect the 'whole plant structure' vs the cell/structure types we have in angiosperms that are gametophytic.

Original comment by: jaiswalp

planteome-user commented 14 years ago

Since PO:0020091 (male gametophyte or pollen) is_a gametophyte, then if gametophyte is part_of whole plant, male gametophyte will be part_of whole plant, not is_a whole plant.

Since the part_of relationship does not specifiy proper parts (that is, it can include the whole structure; see the relationship ontology: http://www.obofoundry.org/ro/), instances when a sporophypte or gametophyte are considered whole plants would still be valid under the part_of relationship.

Original comment by: rlwalls2008

planteome-user commented 14 years ago

At POC meeting on 3-23-10, we agreed to make gametophyte and sporophyte part_of whole plant, and retain sibling status as common children of plant structure.

May consider adding 'gametophyte whole plant' and 'sporophyte whole plant' at some later date.

Original comment by: rlwalls2008

planteome-user commented 14 years ago

Original comment by: rlwalls2008

planteome-user commented 13 years ago

We are proposing removing the part_of relationships to whole plant, as it is redundant based on the definition of plant structure and excludes any plant structures that are no longer part of the whole plant (such as plant cells in wood, eyes in a potato tuber, tissue in a cut flower, etc).

What are the advantages/disadvantages to having these all rooted in whole plant?

plant structure (PO:0009011): An anatomical structure that is or was part of a plant, or was derived from a part of a plant. [source: CARO:0000003, POC:curators]

Comment: 'Part' includes both proper parts and the whole plant.

Anatomical structure (CARO:0000003): Material anatomical entity that has inherent 3D shape and is generated by coordinated expression of the organism's own genome.

All the children of plant structure are defined (except for plant cell*) as " A plant structure...." so therefore they are already part of a plant and can also include entities that were derived from a plant (such as the in vitro structures) or plant material such as wood, which is no longer part of a whole plant.

Original comment by: cooperl09

planteome-user commented 13 years ago

Original comment by: cooperl09

planteome-user commented 13 years ago

From the POC conf call 4-14-11: Removed the part_of relations to whole plant from: -collective plant structure (PO:0025007): -collective organ part structure (PO:0025269): -plant organ (PO:0009008) We decided that since plant structure already gives you the info you need and it is part of the definition, so you do not need to assert this relationship, it can be inferred

Accepted and closed

Original comment by: cooperl09

planteome-user commented 13 years ago

Original comment by: cooperl09

planteome-user commented 12 years ago

We need to fix the comment on whole plant since seed is now a plant structure, not a whole plant.

propose revised comment: Examples include plant embryo (PO:0009009), megagametophyte (PO:0025279) and microgametophyte (PO:0025280).

Original comment by: cooperl09

planteome-user commented 12 years ago

Original comment by: cooperl09

planteome-user commented 12 years ago

This is a good idea. I changed the file.

Original comment by: rlwalls2008

planteome-user commented 12 years ago

Original comment by: rlwalls2008