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Per-item value suggestions #229

Open agates opened 3 years ago

agates commented 3 years ago

Currently most of the value suggestions and calculations assume everything will be per minute. This presents a possible issue for short-form content or content that's not necessarily time based.

I therefore propose a way to provide value suggestions perhaps on a per-item basis, perhaps by providing a suggestion type or maybe by suggesting a value interval of one.

adamc199 commented 3 years ago

I am very interested in this issue. I think we need more data from apps that surface the value controls. Not all do and not all are configurable. All have different implementations, I I think this matters in what behavior listeners/viewers will display. Sphinx chat has a high boost ratio, presumably because you can customize your boost amount to any number. Despite both controls being obfuscated in a settings panel, Boost appears to be used a lot, but the default amount rarely changes from 10 sats/min

Breez surfaces both and I got accustomed to 100 sats/min and 500 sats boost, which I'd hit regularly.

Podfriend surfaces both but has both locked in for the time being at 10 sats/min and 1K boost. This did force interesting boost behavior and we saw the overall value flow increase significantly. Something to be said for a fixed amount, despite it not being in the spirit of value 4 value.

Suggestion is we watch and learn from all the behaviors, as much as we can to see what people gravitate toward. In my experience, once you ASK someone to take action, they do.

I almost think it would be fun to have recommended Boost moments instead of recommended sats/min amount. We may be surprised how high people value short-form content when left to their own evaluation

dergigi commented 3 years ago

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this feature. @agates could you give a general example? And what do you mean by "content that's not necessarily time based"?

I don't understand why per-item (or per-chapter) value suggestions should be divorced from their duration, since you could simply adjust the value accordingly if the content is short, or could you not?

agates commented 3 years ago

@dergigi not all content in the future will necessarily have a duration, perhaps in the case of a cooking recipe for example.

I'm still on the fence about this myself, as suggestions aren't even in use today. I think this brings up a larger point in general that the amount suggested by the "publisher" of the feed/item may differ based on their cost associated with publishing the item.

And, while podcasts are a great medium for the podcaster to ask listeners to donate what they think it's worth (countering the need for a suggestion), other mediums wont necessarily have the same outlet in the case of films or non-visual/audial media.

So ultimately it's going to be a question of experimentation with new mediums and apps that use them.

My original thought for this was related to short, few minute long animated videos that take a lot of production and cost a lot more storage and bandwidth, so it's not only about duration in that case.

dergigi commented 3 years ago

I see. Thank you for the clarification.