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Hidden Fates Shiny Vault #12

Open immewnity opened 3 years ago

immewnity commented 3 years ago

The Shiny Vault subset in Hidden Fates is a head-scratcher. The cards themselves use a unified numbering scheme - SV#/SV94 - but the set symbols are all over the place, matching the set the non-shiny version of the card originated in, plus a yellow "A" to signify Alternate.

TCGO Card Dex Pokemon.com card database PokemonTCG.io RK9 Pokemon.com decklist
Original set Hidden Fates SMA SMA Original set Hidden Fates

Some projects use the original set code, some use the one for Hidden Fates, and others use SMA (for Sun & Moon Yellow A Alternate). Thoughts?

Dillonzer commented 3 years ago

I believe it should be the original set of the card since it is an alternative version of the card in the set.

immewnity commented 3 years ago

I'm running a poll on Twitter and in Virbank on Facebook, asking players how they sort these cards. Might be worth seeing how they do it - matching the expectation of the users would be nice.

link--11 commented 3 years ago

They are Alternate prints so I guess having them in the original set is technically correct, but I personally don't like that approach. I doubt many people actually think of the cards like that, and would rather have them all together, so for a card database it's more convenient for them to all be a part of Hidden Fates, like it's done with Shining Fates now.

immewnity commented 3 years ago

I'm running a poll on Twitter and in Virbank on Facebook, asking players how they sort these cards. Might be worth seeing how they do it - matching the expectation of the users would be nice.

Most folks on Twitter put them as part of the main Hidden Fates set, whereas most folks on Facebook put them as something separate. I have a feeling some of the "completely separate" answers might've been people who don't sort their cards by set at all (e.g. sort by Pokédex, name, etc.), given some of the comments on the Facebook post. Regardless, in both polls, "original set" came in last, so that seems like the least common way to organize the cards.

egonolieux commented 2 years ago

This problem is similar to Shining Fates and the new Celebrations Classic Collection. I actually have a document that keeps track of this kind of stuff for TCG Collector: https://gitlab.com/tcgcollector/documents/-/blob/master/card-database/inconsistencies.md. TLDR: I think they should be seen as a subset of the expansion they were released in.