Unclear expanded legality for neo1-103 (Super Rod)

[Cealgair]

According to https://pokegym.net/current-standard-legal-card-list/ , that card recieved an errata that makes it standard legal. However, that card is not mentioned in https://pokegym.net/current-expanded-legal-card-list/ (at the time of submitting this issue). I assume this is an error on pokegym's website, but I'm not really an expert on these things, so here I am opening an issue.

There are comments by @JayHors under #417 that might be relevant

[Pepper0ni]

The phiolsophical question at play here is if you want to see the card as legal if it's technically playable in the format with errata, or if you want to say you can actually bring that print to a tournament and play it. Note the following tournament rule:

5.4.1.3 Reprinted Cards in the Standard & Expanded Formats Cards that have previously existed in the format are occasionally reprinted in newer expansions. In these cases, the older version of the card may be played if:

• The name of the new card is identical to that of the older card;
• All text printed on the new card is functionally identical to that of the older card.

In addition, provided it meets the criteria above, a newer version of a card that is currently playable in the Standard or Expanded format may be played immediately in that format upon its release.

With this rule, despite Neo super rod being technically errata'd into legallity, you could not use it in official tournaments as the text is wrong.

EDIT: Interestingly, if we take the approach that it's only expanded legal if it can be brought to tournaments, it means the BW and XY super rods (and superior energy retrieval) are also not legal in expanded, which may require a new legality status to handle properly

[JayHors]

This card is legal for play in the standard format. Errata apply to all prints of cards with a given name, and this specific print was called out in the updated errata doc available at https://assets.pokemon.com//assets/cms2/pdf/trading-card-game/tcg-errata-06232023-en.pdf . This is a similar situation to the Mysterious Treasures Quick Ball when Quick Ball was in standard, but with the added caveat that when TPCI announces errata changes, they sometimes fail to mention prints from the time WoTC managed the international game that have received errata. On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 07:55 Pepper0ni @.***> wrote:

The phiolsophical question at play here is if you want to see the card as legal if it's technically playable in the format with errata, or if you want to say you can actually bring that print to a tournament and play it. Note the following tournament rule:

`5.4.1.3 Reprinted Cards in the Standard & Expanded Formats Cards that have previously existed in the format are occasionally reprinted in newer expansions. In these cases, the older version of the card may be played if:

• The name of the new card is identical to that of the older card;
• All text printed on the new card is functionally identical to that of the older card.

In addition, provided it meets the criteria above, a newer version of a card that is currently playable in the Standard or Expanded format may be played immediately in that format upon its release.`

With this rule, despite Neo super rod being technically errata'd into legallity, you could not use it in official tournaments as the text is wrong.

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[Cealgair]

I just noticed that the expanded legal card list on pokegym's website was last updated November 25, 2022. Since the errata was issued later than that date I assume this means that neo1-103 should be considered expanded legal, just like all other pre-bw cards that are currently considered expanded legal.

I think the philosophical question raised by @Pepper0ni should be a separate issue, since it seems to affect way more cards than just this one

[JayHors]

The philosophic question doesn’t exist. Players are always allowed to use older prints of cards that either match the current print exactly in card effect or have received an errata to do so. I’ve been in contact with PokePop, and they’re working on updating everything.

On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 14:55 Cealgair @.***> wrote:

I just noticed that the expanded legal card list on pokegym's website was last updated November 25, 2022. Since the errata was issued later than that date I assume this means that neo1-103 should be considered expanded legal, just like all other pre-bw cards that are currently considered expanded legal.

I think the philosophical question raised by @Pepper0ni https://github.com/Pepper0ni should be a separate issue, since it seems to affect way more cards than just this one

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