Open rasoolsomji opened 1 year ago
Thanks @rasoolsomji (and this is a great model issue for reproducibility and comprehensiveness). Just a few notes before I look into this further:
PolicyEngine UK essentially models pension contributions by deducting them from taxable income (I think perhaps it's not clear though that employment_income
should be gross of pension contributions: I'll amend the metadata there). I think this model of pension contributions taxation is closest to the actual law (ITEPA 2003). But as I understand it in practice, pension contributions tax relief (together with charitable donations, for what it's worth) is segmented and handled:
I could see positives and negatives for handling it closer to its practice, but I think the important thing is ensuring both approaches are equivalent, which I think they are but will check closer.
OK- so onto your examples:
Here is what I expected to happen:
In the case of the basic tax rate payers (11799/11800):
- the income tax to be the same for both
Not sure I agree here but let me know if you're sure. I think the self-employed still get tax relief on basic rate region contributions (e.g. here's a source), it's just paid back as a "25% bonus" rather than a reduction in taxable income (taxed at 20%). But I'm pretty sure this is equivalent.
- the marginal tax rate for both to be 20%
Yep- agreed here. And I found the cause- there's a bug in taxable_employment_income
that double-counts pension contributions when there's a mix of employment income and self-employment income. Thanks for identifying! After fixing I get 20% for both.
I guess this is more of a design point.
Yeah... I mean I think our current way of including it as a reduction in Income Tax seems to incorporate it? But open to suggestions.
- the income tax to be reduced for 11816 by £1200 (20% of £6000)
Could you explain this one? I think it might be off for the same reason as above. But let me know if I've missed something.
Added the fixes mentioned here in https://github.com/PolicyEngine/policyengine-uk/pull/705. Thanks!
Thanks for the speedy and detailed response!
As you said, marking the +25% bonus as a -20% reduction in income tax is equivalent so that's all fine.
With user 11816 you are correct, they get -20% of £6000 (£1200 relief at source), and then another -20% of £6000 once they do their self-assessment.
Note that that source you linked is incorrect in (at least) one place (I'm pretty certain!):
If you're a higher rate tax payer, and you contribute £100, on your self assessment you will only receive £20 back.
So many online guides and calculators are just plain wrong when it comes to pension contributions which is why I'm so invested in this and wanted to raise this issue 😃
P.S. Happy UK budget day 🥲
Thanks- will take a proper look here in a bit. But before I forget, would be good to check against HMRC's Personal Tax Model as an extra source of truth, which I got via a FOI request a few years ago.
Hi there!
I really enjoy OpenFisca, but I recently encountered an issue.
Here is what I did:
Set up one household with self-employed income of £30,000 (ID: 11800) Set up one household with self-employed income of £30,000 and private pension contributions of £3000 (ID: 11799) Set up one household with self-employed income of £60,000 (ID: 11817) Set up one household with self-employed income of £60,000 and private pension contributions of £6000 (ID: 11816)
Here is what I expected to happen:
Here is what actually happened:
Here is data (or links to it) that can help you reproduce this issue:
https://www.gov.uk/tax-on-your-private-pension/pension-tax-relief
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