Closed gissoo closed 3 years ago
@rlskoeser @thatbudakguy Please review the designs and answer the questions above.
Hi, @gissoo. As usual, Nick and I have a lot of overlap in our feedback.
The biggest one is that I'm still confused by structure of the pages you're proposing. If you're not ready to put the pages you're proposing into the full sitemap, could you provide a partial/local sitemap for this section? Although I'm not sure I understand why they aren't in the full sitemap; it seems like the sitemap and the designs for this portion should match. (It occurs to me that it might be a good practice to provide a mini sitemap with designs by way of orientation, like a "you are here" map. Curious what you think.)
In particular, I think that "shelf read" should be at a higher level hierarchically than document detail, and "view entire fragment" would probably be parallel hierarchy, not underneath a single document, since it needs to be accessible from multiple documents. From these designs I can't tell how you're thinking about the relative hierarchy of those pages. (Also, have we discussed whether shelf read is in scope? That might be a later phase)
I also was unclear on the difference is between external sources and scholarship records. Do we really need both?
I like the idea of the viz for scholarship, but Nick is right that it doesn't quite make sense the way you have it. Perhaps we could instead provide an aggregate viz showing the total number of each type of scholarship record, to provide a quick way of conveying the shape of the documented scholarship for this document? FYI, the categories they came up with to track in the database are: Edition, Translation, Discussion
You have editor listed on the main page, but this is also part of the scholarship record. Is it important enough to list twice?
Other comments:
I agree with Nick, I would prefer not to link to empty pages (e.g. documents with no scholarship records); we do this on S&co for the membership activity, and when I'm using the site I find it annoying. Can we either suppress the link or make it visibly disabled? Another option, could we include a number in the nav to give a sense of how many records are available?
I agree with you, I don't think the vertical side nav works as well (although the idea is still kind of appealing for some reason...).
I think designs for shelf read and view entire fragment should be out of scope for this issue, and I don't think shelf read is in scope; would you mark it as potentially out of scope / long term?
Regarding view entire fragment: your current design seems like it's privileging documents more than the fragment. I think you should make a separate issue for this design, but whenever you return to it, I'd be interested to see a design that privileges the fragment over the documents.
1. things that didn't make sense to me: * in "document details - without description", i expected to see the "suggest a description" button in the same place that the description is displayed on other screens, i.e. above the image instead of below it. i think the ordering should be consistent even if information is missing in some sections.
* in general, if a document has no citations/external sources/shelf read/etc, I don't think we need to display the UI options for them, since it would just take users to the equivalent of an empty page.
* i don't understand how the viz for scholarship records works. it seems to imply that a work can be e.g. "partially a translation", and that we can measure "how much of a translation" a work is. like the proposed viz for the document categories, i think this would be hard to implement.
* i don't know what the difference between external sources and scholarship records is...but maybe this is just my bad? can't recall if we've talked about this and i'm just missing something. what would an example of an external source be?
* pages other than the document detail page seem to be "about" (or, in the hierarchy, "underneath") a particular document's detail page, but there's no information on the page about which document you're currently viewing. for example, if i viewed the external sources for a particular document, i can't see the document's shelfmark or other info at the top of the page, so I don't know which document's sources I'm viewing.
1. nope, i don't think anything is missing! 2. if there is a link to "view entire fragment" from a document's page, the fragment page to me is not "under" document details. that page is for the fragment and all the documents that are listed on it, and it doesn't "belong" to any one of those individual documents. conversely, if you can navigate to the fragment's page via a different UI, like "explore fragments", there should still be a link to "view entire fragment" from each document that is on that fragment. I think both modes of access should be supported, and we don't want to privilege one way of getting to the page - just like how you can get to a book in s&co from a person's borrowing list or from the book search.
Hi, @gissoo. As usual, Nick and I have a lot of overlap in our feedback.
1. things that don't make sense to me
The biggest one is that I'm still confused by structure of the pages you're proposing. If you're not ready to put the pages you're proposing into the full sitemap, could you provide a partial/local sitemap for this section? Although I'm not sure I understand why they aren't in the full sitemap; it seems like the sitemap and the designs for this portion should match. (It occurs to me that it might be a good practice to provide a mini sitemap with designs by way of orientation, like a "you are here" map. Curious what you think.)
In particular, I think that "shelf read" should be at a higher level hierarchically than document detail, and "view entire fragment" would probably be parallel hierarchy, not underneath a single document, since it needs to be accessible from multiple documents. From these designs I can't tell how you're thinking about the relative hierarchy of those pages. (Also, have we discussed whether shelf read is in scope? That might be a later phase)
I also was unclear on the difference is between external sources and scholarship records. Do we really need both?
I like the idea of the viz for scholarship, but Nick is right that it doesn't quite make sense the way you have it. Perhaps we could instead provide an aggregate viz showing the total number of each type of scholarship record, to provide a quick way of conveying the shape of the documented scholarship for this document? FYI, the categories they came up with to track in the database are: Edition, Translation, Discussion
You have editor listed on the main page, but this is also part of the scholarship record. Is it important enough to list twice?
1. I think I missed this on your previous iteration of designs: I see the cluster information, but are you listing all tags anywhere? (I just checked and I guess I also failed to notice this was missing on the sitemap content list; sorry 🤦♀️ )
2. I like both options for navigating to the entire fragment; the first one is more appealing if we can do it, but I'm not sure how much effort it will be to make it work for all fragments and match your vision. I do wonder why you have this listed before the the document description, image and transcription; is it more important than that information? Should it not be further down the page, as a kind of supplemental reference?
Other comments:
I agree with Nick, I would prefer not to link to empty pages (e.g. documents with no scholarship records); we do this on S&co for the membership activity, and when I'm using the site I find it annoying. Can we either suppress the link or make it visibly disabled? Another option, could we include a number in the nav to give a sense of how many records are available?
I agree with you, I don't think the vertical side nav works as well (although the idea is still kind of appealing for some reason...).
I think designs for shelf read and view entire fragment should be out of scope for this issue, and I don't think shelf read is in scope; would you mark it as potentially out of scope / long term?
Regarding view entire fragment: your current design seems like it's privileging documents more than the fragment. I think you should make a separate issue for this design, but whenever you return to it, I'd be interested to see a design that privileges the fragment over the documents.
so as I mentioned to Nick: So something that we have not quite agreed on is whether we want to have a section that is mainly about Fragments on the site – from our discussion during one of our recent meetings we leaned towards being document-centric which opened discussions on how to then introduce fragments when viewing a document – I have been wanting to talk to you and RSK about the conversation during that meeting because I did think it would affect the "potentially out of scope" section of the sitemap for "Explore Fragments" but I didn't get to it – will need to be prioritized
navigation-wise I won't be privileging documents in the sense that fragments will be accessible through multiple documents, but your comment here is a bit confusing and sounds the opposite of what we discussed in a recent meeting – please let me know what you think, curious about your thoughts on this in case I'm misunderstanding.
Thanks for responding, @gissoo. Sounds like there are a lot of things you'll be able to resolve or refine further with usability testing, which is great.
Trying to respond to what seem like the most important things, please let me know if there's anything else you want me to address.
Regarding having a section for Fragments on the site — I think expanding the sitemap would help clarify this a lot. The functionality you're proposing implies to me that there needs to be fragments section in terms of the hierarchy of the pages on the site; after all, shelf read is kind of a limited/special fragment browse, right? (contextual browse? 😉) However, we don't necessarily have to advertise or emphasize that part of the site to users. Until/unless we build an interface to explore fragments, you would only be able to get to those pages through the documents — which seems fine to me. If and when we add that "explore fragments" part, then it would give a new entry point to those pages.
Regarding your last point — my comments were unclear, I apologize! I was referring to the wireframe labeled "View Entire Fragment", not talking about the link from the document detail page to the fragment. I agree that we have determined documents should be privileged overall in the site, but for a page that is intended to view a single fragment, isn't appropriate for it to be more fragment-centric? Right now it looks like a list of documents. Is there a way we could see the images for the fragment with the documents that occur on each part, without repeating the fragment images? (Although that will probably result in repeating the documents in some cases...)
@gissoo one more variation you might want to be thinking about and including in your usability testing: multi-page documents. How to display the images and transcriptions?
@thatbudakguy I have revised the entire description of this issue and have updated the link to Figma – please read and review the wireframes and let me know what you think or if something is missing. If you don't get to it today, no worries, I will be asking Marina and Rachel to review it for next week (I will be tagging RSK so she can also review it if she has the time/ or finds it necessary because this revision is mostly directly addressing your previous comments from last week)
okay, going in order of your questions first:
Thanks to @thatbudakguy for the great comments, you addressed most of this! To explicitly echo/emphasize a few things:
@gissoo I figured out why the external sources is bothering me. It's not just that I don't know what this is — I don't know if or how it's accounted for in our current database design. I don't know if we have this to show.
I also want to expand on Nick's concern about letting users add content — I think we need to be careful how much of this we add, because not only does it mean writing code to support and manage those data submissions; it also means creating workflows for the project team to review and accept submissions and edits. We should prioritize the data submissions they care more about most.
Agree that if any information used to filter/sort on the public search should be visible here. I think Marina was interested in that being available on the public site.
I remember we discussed public notes at some point, but I'm not sure how that's different from description. Would be better if we could stick to one field!
New thoughts from yesterday's meeting:
These don't need to be incorporated into the current designs! Maybe can be included in a later iteration if you think it makes sense.
@thatbudakguy @rlskoeser thanks for the comments:
@richmanrachel @mrustow This issue is ready for you to review – please ignore all the descriptions above. I'll provide all the updated context here: Here are the designs on Figma
The designs are for mobile and tablet covering: document details, external sources, and scholarship records (the revised sitemap is on this figma page as reference), also covering the designs for a variety of conditions, for when there is:
"External Sources" came up during the ux research phase, as a place where there is a list of the institutions that have the document in their database like FGP or CUDL – RSK has mentioned that we may not have this in the database. Is this possible to do? Or can it be incorporated into the "Scholarship Records" page as one of the sources? Or is it on a different level?
Thinking of including a data visualization (that's simple to understand) on the "Scholarship Records" page, but for now I've listed the total number of record types at the top of the pageas a placeholder.
We have taken the page on fragments and shelf read out of this issue and as potentially out of scope for now.
What should the language be with suggesting a new transcription vs. an edit to an existing transcription? Does having two buttons make sense?
Please let me know your thoughts and if you have questions – my goal is to revise and close this issue this week. Note: these are wireframes, just covering the following aspects of the designs:
Hi @gissoo - hopefully I'm reading these correctly (as this is a new genre for my eyes to adjust to)!
1) The main question that comes to mind for me is who is using the mobile site? Is it mainly curious interlopers or @Marina on the train to Princeton? This question was prompted by the placement of the clusters and editor information. If it's casual users, I think the current layout makes sense to have cluster information first. If it's mostly experts, then I might put it at the bottom?
2) "External Sources" does seem to be in the right place, though I think it's only useful for some collections right now. (We can't link to FGP, for example, b/c they require you to log-in to the site). It may be possible to integrate into "Scholarly Records" as an unpublished description/mention of the document.
3) What do you mean by a "data visualization" for scholarly records? I do like that it includes a preview number - I would keep this regardless (because it helps me see at a glance how often others have touched it).
5) As for whether we have two buttons or not, I think that depends on how transcriptions will function on the backend. @rlskoeser - do we have a plan for whether they're staying on bitbucket? If descriptions and transcriptions live in different places, two buttons could make sense, but if everything comes to be located on "our backend" then it should be unified under a "Suggest an edit/description/transcription" button.
Two additional questions;
Hi @gissoo - hopefully I'm reading these correctly (as this is a new genre for my eyes to adjust to)!
1. The main question that comes to mind for me is who is using the mobile site? Is it mainly curious interlopers or @marina on the train to Princeton? This question was prompted by the placement of the clusters and editor information. If it's casual users, I think the current layout makes sense to have cluster information first. If it's mostly experts, then I might put it at the bottom?
2. "External Sources" does seem to be in the right place, though I think it's only useful for some collections right now. (We can't link to FGP, for example, b/c they require you to log-in to the site). It may be possible to integrate into "Scholarly Records" as an unpublished description/mention of the document.
3. What do you mean by a "data visualization" for scholarly records? I do like that it includes a preview number - I would keep this regardless (because it helps me see at a glance how often others have touched it).
4. As for whether we have two buttons or not, I think that depends on how transcriptions will function on the backend. @rlskoeser - do we have a plan for whether they're staying on bitbucket? If descriptions and transcriptions live in different places, two buttons could make sense, but if everything comes to be located on "our backend" then it should be unified under a "Suggest an edit/description/transcription" button.
Two additional questions;
* What are the orange boxes?
the orange boxes signify what is different on each screen.
- Is it possible to use a different font, by chance? I'm having a hard time reading this one.
- "External Sources" came up during the ux research phase, as a place where there is a list of the institutions that have the document in their database like FGP or CUDL – RSK has mentioned that we may not have this in the database. Is this possible to do? Or can it be incorporated into the "Scholarship Records" page as one of the sources? Or is it on a different level?
True that we don't have this in the database currently. It might be either very easy or very difficult to provide the information depending on how granular we want to get, but in most scenarios it will be very easy. There are a few issues here:
- Thinking of including a data visualization (that's simple to understand) on the "Scholarship Records" page, but for now I've listed the total number of record types at the top of the pageas a placeholder.
- We have taken the page on fragments and shelf read out of this issue and as potentially out of scope for now.
- What should the language be with suggesting a new transcription vs. an edit to an existing transcription? Does having two buttons make sense?
Definitely. "Add a new transcription" or "Suggest an edit to an existing transcription" — or less wordy depending on context
I'll write more later.
@mrustow thanks for writing! This is helpful!
Hi @gissoo - here are the comments Marina and I have from working together:
Hi @gissoo - here are the comments Marina and I have from working together:
* For documents that have transcriptions already, we don't need "suggest transcription" as a button.
great!
- In thinking ahead to adding people, we would love named entities to be bolded and linked in the description.
I'll ask you about this at our meeting.
- We're concerned about "Cluster Name" - does this mean we're privileging one cluster over another? How do we determine what counts as a cluster? This is obviously a big can of worms that we probably need to discuss in depth at a meeting. We might even need to include the Geniza Advisory Board to figure out how tagging/cluster search should work.
* MR prefers separate buttons for suggesting descriptions vs transcriptions so they stay contextual. But could we change the language to "Suggest a Description/Edit" and "Suggest a Transcription/Edit"
If we are only showing the button for transcription when the document does not have a transcription then "Suggest a Transcription/Edit" wouldn't make sense because there is nothing to edit, correct?
Also, are you thinking to only have a button for description when a document does not have a description? Or it's the only for the transcription we're doing this?
* We would like "Suggest a Tag" to be added.
* Could we also have "Suggest an Image URL" too?
* We love "View Entire Fragment" * As for External Sources, MR wants to talk through the contingencies at a meeting.
Conclusions from the Geniza meeting on April 1:
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Here is a link to the mobile and tablet wireframes on figma – note: once the page opens zoom out on the Figma page to view everything
Description:
The designs are for the following pages (the revised sitemap is on this figma page as reference):
also covering variations with:
Updates: (most of the decisions here need usability testing) + (updates below are same as the ones on #91)
specific designs aspects covered in this issue:
How the proposal/idea can fail:
Questions:
Note: