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PyCon 2014 artwork #46

Closed dianaclarke closed 10 years ago

dianaclarke commented 11 years ago

Like the great work Idan Gazit did in previous years for the print program, t-shirts, etc.

http://pycon.blogspot.ca/2013/01/pycon-us-2013-artwork-by-amazing-idan.html

mlhamel commented 11 years ago

For the t-shirts i've also heard people talking about how it would be awesome to talk with the guy who made the Pyramid ones...

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Like the great work Idan Gazit did in previous years for the print program, t-shirts, etc.

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jnoller commented 11 years ago

-1 for anything like the pyramid t-shirts.

rdodev commented 11 years ago

The Lincoln Loop and HULU Tech swag t-shirts are pretty sweet. I use them quite frequently and they are quite comfortable and durable.

My 2c

dianaclarke commented 11 years ago

Anyhoo... that's not what this ticket is about. It's about the artwork, in general. Idan may not be available this year; we can't just assume as much. Idan has been the PyCon artwork guy, but we need to reach out to him and ask, and also have a backup plan.

Anyone want to own this?

No more t-shirt talk until we have artwork!

:)

jnoller commented 11 years ago

Lets wait until the potential date shift is resolved then I can ping Idan

On Apr 27, 2013, at 2:36 AM, diana notifications@github.com wrote:

I love the pyramid folk, but I hate those shirts. Let's not have a light coloured shirts this year: pit stains! Anyhoo... that's not what this ticket is about. It's about the artwork, in general. Idan may not be available this year; we can't just assume as much. Idan has been the PyCon artwork guy, but we need to reach out to him and ask, and also have a backup plan.

Anyone want to own this?

No more t-shirt talk until we have artwork!

:)

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blaflamme commented 11 years ago

+1 for anything like the pyramid artwork, and -1 for anything like retro artwork. It doesn't need to be «gore», but retro and kitty style are more than overseen in this programming world.

rdodev commented 11 years ago

I agree with the -1 to anything retrofuturistic/nostalgia. +1 for understated, terse designs.

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+1 for anything like the pyramid artwork, and -1 for anything like retro artwork. It doesn't need to be «gore», but retro and kitty style are more than overseen in this programming world.

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sontek commented 11 years ago

+1 for anything like the pyramid artwork

jnoller commented 11 years ago

The pyramid artwork turns off a lot of people. It's seems pretty awesome for some, but I've been begged in the past never to go that route for pycon. If I personally got something even remotely resembling I'd honestly throw it in the trash. It's fine skipping retro; but go modern, keep to the theme of the conference, and definitely keep an eye towards something that people will be happy to wear and show away from the conference and that showcases it well.

sontek commented 11 years ago

On the artwork itself (and not the t-shirts). I think going with a different designer/style would be a great change. Personally, the last 2 years of t-shirts have been placed in the back of my closet, the style just didn't feel right to me, but I wear my Atlanta 2 shirt all the time.

This has nothing to do with Idan, I think he is a great artist, I just think with a location change, it might be nice to have a style change as well.

sontek commented 11 years ago

@jnoller With a conference full of 2500 people, no 1 t-shirt is going to make everyone happy. You want to throw away the pyramid shirt and the people that love it want to throw away the Santa Clara shirts. No way to solve this unless we make multiple designs

yarko commented 11 years ago

completely with Jesse (now that I've looked at that Pyramid T) - think "classic" => kids code camp & their parents; and everyone in between.

The Elegence / Simplicity T (was that Atl-2?) was, well - simple, and well received.

That was committee work / committee vote. We might try that process again (?).

Regards,

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@jnoller https://github.com/jnoller With a conference full of 2500 people, no 1 t-shirt is going to make everyone happy. You want to throw away the pyramid shirt and the people that love it want to throw away the Santa Clara shirts. No way to solve this unless we make multiple designs

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briancurtin commented 11 years ago

That elegance shirt was from the second Chicago conference. If that was the result of a committee, we should not do a committee.

sontek commented 11 years ago

@yarko Are there some survey results / stats to see about the well received nature of the shirts? I live in the bay area and work and hangout with python engineers all day/night and haven't seen either of the Santa Clara shirts in the wild and the conference was held in our backyard, but I see the Atlanta skyline all the time still and it was from 2011.

Maybe the bay area style is different than the majority, I'm only basing this on my feelings about the shirts, and my experience of seeing which shirts I see people wearing around the community. Its not a scientific study by any means but makes me feel like the shirts weren't as well received as you think since no one seems to be wearing them.

You can probably look around your individual offices and see which shirts you recognize from pycon swag to judge what type of shirts the community is looking for.

dianaclarke commented 11 years ago

The current plan is to have the company that does the PyCon website re-skin also do the design for the print program, t-shirts, lanyards, etc, so that we have a consistent design. I'll be sure to keep you posted once the draft designs start coming in.

yarko commented 11 years ago

Ah - that's what this needed: leadership from the top! :-)

Regards,

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The current plan is to have the company that does the PyCon website re-skin also do the design for the print program, t-shirts, lanyards, etc, so that we have a consistent design. I'll be sure to keep you posted once the draft designs start coming in.

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blaflamme commented 11 years ago

What I'm saying is go different, be creative and stop being comfortable within what we know.

@jnoller I'm surprised by your kind of comment against style, far from being constructive and a bit narrow-minded. I think we can express ourselves in way that'll benefit the community as a whole, not just our own personal choices or preferences.

On my side I can say that the Pyramid designs is loved by far more people than it turns some off, but for sure we're not in the same circle of people.

briancurtin commented 11 years ago

The Pyramid style shirt is ridiculous and many people are going to be let down if they add one to their order and end up with some shirt they can't wear anywhere besides the next Python conference they go to. I wouldn't wear that shirt inside out and I don't know anyone else who would.

Doesn't matter anyway because none of us are coming up with the idea, which is probably a good thing.

blaflamme commented 11 years ago

@briancurtin You could be surprised by how many more people would wear something that really stands out!

ygingras commented 11 years ago

It's all about the setting and the context. I would not wear my tuxedo at PyCon and I would not wear my pyramid T at a black tie event.

The very talented artist who made the pyramid T aimed for a particular style and it's because it's so different from your typical corporate friendly T that it gets so many praises.

I really like it but I understand that I may be part of a niche audience. Yet, something inside of me says that be a touch more ambitious than we've been lately.

Yannick Gingras

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The Pyramid style shirt is ridiculous and many people are going to be let down if they add one to their order and end up with some shirt they can't wear anywhere besides the next Python conference they go to. I wouldn't wear that shirt inside out and I don't know anyone else who would.

Doesn't matter anyway because none of us are coming up with the idea, which is probably a good thing.

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yarko commented 11 years ago

... I didn't care for "narrow minded" comment; let's keep it civil.

We'll be tired, and things will heat up naturally in the months ahead, so lets start cool, stay cool, shall we?

Thank you.

Regards,

On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Yannick Gingras notifications@github.comwrote:

It's all about the setting and the context. I would not wear my tuxedo at PyCon and I would not wear my pyramid T at a black tie event.

The very talented artist who made the pyramid T aimed for a particular style and it's because it's so different from your typical corporate friendly T that it gets so many praises.

I really like it but I understand that I may be part of a niche audience. Yet, something inside of me says that be a touch more ambitious than we've been lately.

Yannick Gingras

On May 31, 2013, at 20:15, Brian Curtin notifications@github.com wrote:

The Pyramid style shirt is ridiculous and many people are going to be let down if they add one to their order and end up with some shirt they can't wear anywhere besides the next Python conference they go to. I wouldn't wear that shirt inside out and I don't know anyone else who would.

Doesn't matter anyway because none of us are coming up with the idea, which is probably a good thing.

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dougn commented 11 years ago

Wow...

Montreal is an interesting city with tons of history, but a very, very modern metropolis. It is my opinion that we should leverage that.

Beyond that, the actual style should be decided with some back and forth between the chairs and some artists. The chairs are the ones setting the tone of the conference as they have the ultimate power, and more importantly the responsibility, to do so.

blaflamme commented 11 years ago

@yarko I got the same reaction than you about this comment "If I personally got something even remotely resembling I'd honestly throw it in the trash"... so yes stay cool... :)

dougn commented 11 years ago

Now on to something constructive. Here is the artist that did DjangoCon Europe, Gracjana Zielińska http://vinegaria.com/portfolio/ http://2013.djangocon.eu/

I love her work, and I think she could come up with something bold and unique to PyCon.

yarko commented 11 years ago

On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 10:54 PM, Blaise Laflamme notifications@github.comwrote:

@yarko https://github.com/yarko I got the same reaction than you about this comment "If I personally got something even remotely resembling I'd honestly throw it in the trash"... so yes stay cool... :)

you may not like that, but there's nothing wrong with that statement.

@blaise - important distinction (seriously):

"I" (speaking about what I'd do, what I like - speaking for myself; like good encapsulation)

"you" (speaking about someone else);

"I" - you may not like what I like / say / feel; but it's about me, my person (not about "you"); I'm free to speak about me (respect == allowing that);

"you" - if it's specific about action / behavior ("you didn't come on time"), that's ok; it's like an interface transaction;

"you" when followed by something general ("narrow minded" is not an action, it's about a person's mind - it's character assassination) - that's off base.

Speak for yourself.

When other's speak for themselves, and you don't like it - that's your work, for you to deal with.

If you don't like it, own it (instead of attacking) - "I don't like this."

Thank you.

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blaflamme commented 11 years ago

@yarko totally understand your point, english is not my native language so sometime how I express myself could lead to some confusion. From my point of view I was meaning that the point of view is «a bit narrow-minded», because when you exclude you narrow. It was not my intention to attack him, sorry for the confusion.

yarko commented 11 years ago

On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 12:11 AM, Blaise Laflamme notifications@github.comwrote:

@yarko https://github.com/yarko totally understand your point, english is not my native language so sometime how I express myself could lead to some confusion. From my point of view I was meaning that the point of view is «a bit narrow-minded», because when you exclude you narrow. It was not my intention to attack him, sorry for the confusion.

Thanks - so you would like to see a broader consideration of artwork, would like to see us avoid narrowing the field too soon. Got it!

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blaflamme commented 11 years ago

Yeah that be great to have something «unexpected». I like @ygingras way of saying it: «Yet, something inside of me says that be a touch more ambitious than we've been lately.»

goodwillcoding commented 11 years ago

I'd ask the folks here to avoid hurtful words and be considered toward your fellow python developers who like Pyramid tshirts. Let's borrow some of that PyCon code of conduct that was much talked about last time.

I can also tell you that during the last two PyCons we ran out of Pyramid tees in little over half a day and had to ration some for the second day. We had people asking for them left and right at the parties and social events.

Now I understand that not everyone likes them and as @ygingras pointed out people might not wear them for black tie events. However, a lot of work and thought was put into those tee and the **Félix La Flamme is an AMAZING artist hands down***. To have him design a shirt for PyCon is something that should be seriously considered. Whether it is Pyramid styled is obviously up for discussion.

briancurtin commented 11 years ago

Closing - this was already solved by Diana.

dianaclarke commented 11 years ago

http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/T-shirts

annaraven commented 11 years ago

Thanks Diana. Women's cut t-shirts are an important signal. And having an opaque t-shirt really matters a lot. Your link covers all the considerations in detail.

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http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/T-shirts

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cordially, Anna