Closed claudejdev closed 2 years ago
PygmalionOfCyprus
commented
2 years ago Fixed for 495.
Re: the deletions and things not worth their weight, I agree, but I can't remove anything from the database once a new version has been released for reasons of backwards compatibility w/ pro client custom DBs and older scenario migration.
claudejdev
commented
2 years ago Fixed for 495.
Re: the deletions and things not worth their weight, I agree, but I can't remove anything from the database once a new version has been released for reasons of backwards compatibility w/ pro client custom DBs and older scenario migration.
Understandable. You would then flag and comment them as Depreciated?
KLABDB3K
commented
2 years ago The only observation I would make is that the R-27R1 etc export variants are "different" in terms of their ECCM, and codes for datalinks etc which are not immediately obvious as being modelled in the current CMO. It seems prudent to keep them not just for backward compatibility and ease of administration but also in case of a future incarnation of the sim starts to effectively model comms jamming or a more elaborate ECCM model?
PygmalionOfCyprus
commented
2 years ago ^ I believe this is why they're in there. I'm generally in favor of modeling export variants even if just as copies because there are usually differences even if they aren't immediately modelable/apparent -- and it's way easier to change a single weapon entry down the line than go through and replace every loadout for foreign aircraft w/ export variants later.
claudejdev
commented
2 years ago That makes senses. Thanks for elaborating.
Would you want me to post suggested changes for the export variants too? The same as on the national version, though.
As for the P1, I've asked around to know if it actually has been exported. Waiting for an answer.
DB Selector
DB3K
Affected DBID(s)
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Summary of Changes
[x] 1900 | AA-10 Alamo B [R-27T, MR IR] 1984?
Name= AA-10B Alamo [R-27T, MR IR]
Comments=1987, izdeliye 470-3
AirRangeMax=35.1
TargetAltitudeMax_ASL=24000.0
[x] 1901 | AA-10 Alamo A [R-27R, MR TSARH] 1984
Name= AA-10A Alamo [R-27R, MR TSARH]
Comments=1987, izdeliye 470-1
TargetAltitudeMax_ASL=25000.0
[x] 2055 | AA-10 Alamo E [R-27P, MR ARM] 1994
Name= AA-10E Alamo [R-27P, MR ARM]
Comments=1987, izdeliye 470-4
Weight=248.0
AirRangeMin=1.08
AirRangeMax=38.9
TargetAltitudeMax_ASL=20000.0
[x] 1899 | AA-10 Alamo C [R-27ER, LR TSARH] 1987
Name= AA-10C Alamo [R-27ER, LR TSARH]
Comments=1990, izdeliye 470-1E
TargetAltitudeMax_ASL=27000.0
[x] 1101 | AA-10 Alamo D [R-27ET, LR IR] 1987
Name= AA-10D Alamo [R-27ET, LR IR]
Comments=1990, izdeliye 470-3E
AirRangeMax=43.2
TargetAltitudeMax_ASL=30000.0
[x] AirRangeMin
(Basically, all but the P version.)
DataSensor
RangeMax=45.0
Frequency=1010 J Band (10-20 GHz) [Old X Band] 1.5-3 cm
Notes
On names : Version letter appended to the missile number enhances readability. And it's thus in line with other NATO and US designation systems
There's no documented differences between national and export version I could find. DB maintenance wise, I'm not sure the export version entries are worth their weight. Likewise, the ID 1319 "AA-10 Alamo F [R-27AE, LR ARH] (Cancelled)" and ID 2054 "AA-10 Alamo C [R-27EM, LR TSARH] (Cancelled, Naval, Anti-SSCM)" could be dropped.
Interestingly, as of 2017, and since 1983, all R-27 were produced at the Artem factory in Kiev, Ukraine. (Butowski) That factory would have been destroyed in late April 2022 : Russia says struck Kyiv rocket plant with missiles | Reuters
Sources
GosMKB Vympel » Guided air-to-air missiles Artem - Air-to-air missile R-27
Cool illustrations from Artem's :
