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Russia 9M100 #1263

Open HVAA opened 2 years ago

HVAA commented 2 years ago

DB Selector

DB3K

Baseline

AIM-132A?

Hypothetical

No

Name

9M100

Length (m)

2.5

Width/Span (m)

Not Stated in sources

Diameter (m)

0.125

Weight (kg)

Not Stated in Sources but likely around 80 Kg

Range (nm)

9.3

Target Altitude / Depth (ft)

No response

Launch Altitude / Depth (ft)

No response

Warhead

Blast/Frag

Targets

Aircraft, Helicopter, Missile

CEP (m)

No response

Sensors

Inertial, then IR

Weapon Codes

Anti-Air All-Aspect, Attitude Control - Combined

Comments

Typically Russian the statistics are all in metres and KM etc. Range 10 to 15 km Altitude envelope below 10 to 8000 metres Looks like it can 'quad pack' in the launch tubes for th 9m96.

This one might be trickier than the 96M6 series, as most of the info in the sources refer to these larger missiles.

Sources

  1. https://www.deagel.com/Defensive%20Weapons/9M100/a002480
  2. https://www.army-technology.com/projects/s-350e-vityaz-50r6-surface-to-air-defence-missile-system/
  3. https://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_missile_system_vehicle_uk/s-350e_s-350_vityaz_50r6_air_defense_missile_data_pictures.html
  4. https://odin.tradoc.army.mil/mediawiki/index.php/50R6_Vityaz_(S-350E)_Russian_Medium-Range_Air_Defense_Missile_System
  5. https://twitter.com/MuxelAero/status/1417102880562110467?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1417102880562110467%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.russiadefence.net%2Ft5991p425-s-350-vityaz-sam-system
KLABDB3K commented 2 years ago

Are you sure about this being in service? I would be very circumspect about this given the number of platforms that would require an update. Having spent months looking unsuccessfully for credible independant evidence that this is in service in the form alleged. Mock ups at air shows do not show any IR or optical sensor and there is no footage of it being fired from any of the alleged VLS systems. Many of these "sources" are just repeating PR from the manufacturer design bureau which when translated appear to express an "aspiration" to deploy the 9M100 not a statement that its in service?

I would like to be proven wrong as some of the 12 cell VLS equipped corvetters using 9M96 only dont have much chance of fending off a saturation attack, so the quad 9M100 would make more sense?

HVAA commented 2 years ago

Agree with the images that I have seen, they look like resin or fibreglass mock ups, as place holders. Only seen one image that makes sense, but the source (a forum) doesnt quote the source of the image (looks a lot like an ASRAAM apart from it being smaller). As for the VLS systems, they are notoriously hard to 'see inside'.

bostonmyk commented 2 years ago

Hmm. IOC for Vityaz for AF was 2020 and Army 2021. Both have been pictured at test ranges. Couldn't find any test photos of (9M100) Missile but definitely seems to be in the upgrade pipeline (2025+) https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1232778001919741952 https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1466089930195668992 https://twitter.com/GuyPlopsky/status/1232697964671504391

KLABDB3K commented 2 years ago

The interesting thing about those Twitter links is the "96L6-VP radiotechnical recon post" (ESM on a mast) . Its overlooked thay Vityaz could well have a passive ESM based target locator and use LOAL with the active radar missiles finding the target themselves in the terminal phase. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ER8DjegU0AAaS8e?format=jpg&name=medium

HVAA commented 2 years ago

The picture in your article also shows a different version of 96L6. (96L6-Tsp) I cant find its NATO name in any source I can quote, but it is (visually) a very different array from the original Cheeseboard. Still searching for more evidence to support the orginal request. Given that FAKEL intially offered this as an option as a possible AAM a long time ago, would seem to indicate that it has had a long development.

Huib18 commented 2 years ago

Never saw the 9M100 in any operational picture. Maybe the 96M6 missile is, but the 9M100 does not.

KLABDB3K commented 2 years ago

https://twitter.com/i/status/1502318361027309570 https://twitter.com/MrFrantarelli/status/1502318361027309570?t=R_oiopx7R3AjFJFyIkigow&s=19 https://twitter.com/vitalyvk/status/1288051664071667712?t=O8M2IKJo9c1xrYTKv1vdPg&s=19

From a story dated 10.03.2022 The crew of the corvette "Soobrazitelny" also conducted a series of practical firing exercises against sea and air targets. Baltic Sea. It also shows the 9M100 effectively hitting targets at sea level. This is a still from the Zvezda video and is pretty unequivocally the 9M100 in the wild and it looks like its command guided or AR not IIR. A still from the video of the missile matches the shape of the 9M100 from the airshow display and the nose doesnt seem IIR? 9m100 live 9m100 still

HVAA commented 2 years ago

There you go then, In a tube designed for 1 x 9M96 variant, quad packed 9M100. Given where and how they (R&D) test their missiles, I would hazard a land based variant is a given for at least S-350. Command Guidance requires a radar that can track both the target and the missile. IN plus AR only requires the target to be tracked, with course directions, corrections sent to the missile.

KLABDB3K commented 2 years ago

https://tvzvezda.ru/news/2022312739-riztv.html

The same "launch" sequence clip is used several times for stories supposedly from different events so if it wasn't for the close up of the launch tube I would be sceptical. This still frame attached shows the immediate launch plume just as the small tube cap flies off, the launch is clearly from one side of the launcher not the centre so it is compatible with the quad pack not the single tube.

still frame launch moment

HVAA commented 2 years ago

The link page, mentions Active Homing and the Acquisiton Radar can be any one capable of producing suitable tracks to pass to the control systems (assuming something like PAAMS)