PygmalionOfCyprus
commented
2 years ago Fixed for 496. I can't delete units from the DB, so the Des Moines stays for now, but I did remove its aberrant mounts and fix the spelling mistake on Sensor 1650.
The MOB and the T-AKRs, etc. got None (Large Vessel) since they're effectively military commercial vessels and don't have anything like a CIC to coordinate their non-existent sensors/weapons employment (as far as I know).
DB Selector
DB3K
Affected DBID(s)
Remaining US Ships
Summary of Changes
In some categories, modern IR, TV, etc. sensors have not been deemed sufficient to increase CS Gen, since their short range means they would become useful well after the detection of a contact. To increase the generation in this situation would unfairly augment long-range, old sensors (usually radars) that should be struggling just as before. When the new IR and old radar share a short effective range, the upgrade to a higher generation makes sense. With the new system giving ship-wide response speeds, there are bound to be flaws and imperfections, compared to individually simulating every sensor's quality.
#444 - LHA 1 Tarawa (United States - 1995): increase from CS Gen 4 to 5, with this refit getting the NTU upgrade. More NTUs and others for Gen 5: #444, #1084, #502, #2286, #742, #2757, #698, #701, #1163, #116, #2756, #2070, #1165, #520, #507, #2762, #646, #645, #242, #726, #715, #2758, #652, #1866, #1865, #1864, #1169, #1164, 1447, 2759, #1170, #1171, #1172, #416, #1547, #560, #410, #1768, #563, #2760, #2121, #1079, 2761, #509, #1769, #457, #1129, #1098, #2120, #2373, #2600, #2118.
Interesting to note #502 Tarawa 2002-2015 was unmodernized until meeting her fate, keeping 1990s-standard equipment throughout.
#114 - DDG 963 Spruance [VLS] (United States - 1986): reduce from CS Gen 5 to 4. Has 'Late 1980s' hull sonar and towed array, but everything else is too old, not NTU, and the VLS Spruance addition apparently did not enhance their sensors or AAW abilities. Similar: #3141, #810, #458, #2116.
#712 - LHD 2 Essex [Wasp] (United States - 2002): increase from CS Gen 5 to 6. As was decided with the super carriers, the AN/SPQ-9B 'Early 2000s' short-range surface-search radar made them CS Gen 6, despite mostly unaltered 1970s-1990s sensors. To proceed in this fashion, these ships get generation 6: #712, #428, #1113, #1111, #759, #1160, #1932, #2598, #2597, #2596, #3562, #3561, #3560, 1934, #1840, #3115, #2595, #2555.
#1811 AND #225 - AOR 1 Wichita (United States - 1988/1991): increase both from CS Gen 3 to 4. Has qualifying sensors. Several corrections for this and similar classes have been frustrating to research. Will submit separate updates if clarification strikes.
#3179 - CA 134 Des Moines (United States - 1948): increase from CS Gen 1 to 4. A proposed 1980s refit, with congruous AN/SPS-48C and AN/SPS-49(V)1 radars, and older sensors, but more advanced than 1940s.
#3221 - CA 134 Des Moines (United States - 1953): delete from DB3K. This may have been added in error, duplicating the previous entry, as a 1980s recomissioning and overhaul. I think only one reactivated Des Moines plan is needed in DB3K, and the real ship left active service permanently in 1961, before DB3K. This current entry is a 1950s refit, with all period-appropriate sensors. Further, the entry has accidentally gained the 1980s CIWS and Harpoons from the above proposed design, but not the sensors like #3179, and only the #3179 overhaul above was envisaged. Unless the ship is intended to furnish a reactivateable Des Moines for DB3K users; I am unaware the DB records ships that were held in reserve, but this would be a nice idea. If it is to remain as a reserve ship, remove from sensors the 4x AN/VPS-2 Search/Track [Mk16 CWIS] [sic], and remove from weapons the 4x 20mm/85 Mk15 Phalanx Blk 0 CIWS, and the 4x Mk141 Harpoon canisters.
Finally, a spelling mistake renders the sensor #1650 AN/VPS-2 Search/Track [Mk16 CWIS]. This is true in all its sensor entries: #1650, #4450, #4226, #5739.
#1454, #307, #2075 LCUs have extravagantly advanced CS Gen 5 compared to the very similar #1455 LCU 1610, which has None (Small Craft). The LCUs have a single maritime navigation radar, and just two manually-trained 12.7 mm mounts, on either side near the bow, and two ignorable 7.62 mm guns in recent decades, apparently. No 20 mm cannon. Weapons are often removed, however. I can submit the LCU weapon changes separately. They are basically civilian boats, and should have CS None (Small Craft).
#2452- LCU 2001 Runnymede (United States - 1990): as above but unarmed to boot.
#2755 - Mobile Offshore Base [Battle Island] (United States - 0) -- HYPOTHETICAL UNIT: crazy thing has CS Gen 5, probably due to its provenance in the 1990s. However, it has only two 1970s generic navigation radar as sensors, plus Mk1 Human Eye. Hard to categorize CS generation, especially being imaginary.
These have only eyeballs, and are barges with infantry weapons. Reduce from CS Gen 5(!) to None (Small Craft): #2936, #2935.
#841 - T-AKR 1001 Admral William M. Callaghan (United States - 1968): increase CS Gen 3 to 4? Has 1970s-era Decca navigation radar, no armament, no decoy. Should CS be brought in line with advanced sensor age, when it is more or less a civilian navigation radar? Reduced to None (Large Vessel) to match commercial ships? It probably does not matter, since it cannot do anything. Similar auxiliaries, some armed, to increase/reduce to CS Gen 4: #841, #267, #1820, #1415, #1417, #120, #3024, #2069, #1813, #1815, #1816, #2243, #1818, #26, #121, #2538, #2460, #2480, #2478, #833, #830, #2539, #365, #848, #2089, #490, #466, #897, #3023, #2412, #837, #834, #854, #2546, #2350, #2684, #3193, #3522, #3521.
Sources
Testing in 494.