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Add Shahed-136 Kamikaze Drone (Guided Weapon) #2214

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ghost commented 2 years ago

DB Selector

DB3K

DBID to Copy

3271

Hypothetical

No

Name

Shahed-136

Country

Iran

Service

IRGC

In Commission

2019-present

Number in Service

200+

Sensors

GLONASS/GPS/SATCOM (fixed targets) Semi-Active Laser (able to be guided by drones/ground laser designator, similar to Krasnopol) (mobile targets)

Mounts

1x 36kg Warhead

Loadout Options

-1x Warhead 36kg -1800km max range

Other Changes

SPECIFICATIONS: Will create separate request for SSM battery similar to HARPY length: 3.5m wingspan: 2.5m combat weight: 200kg with warhead service ceiling (similar to harop/harpy): 15,000 feet (4.6km) cruise speed: 120 km/hr, (65 kts) low altitude: 200 feet kamikaze speed: 200km/hr (108 kts) combat range: 1800km Warhead weight: 36kg Guidance: GNSS/SATCOM/INERTIAL/Laser Designator (targets pre-determined) Types of targets: Soft, hard, mobile, fixed shahed

RCS front (A-D bands) - 0.0631m2 / -13 dBsm RCS side (A-D bands): -10 dBsm RCS A-D rear: -13 dBsm RCS front (E-M bands) - 0.009m2 / -21 dBsm RCS side (E-M bands): -17 dBsm RCS E-M rear: -21 dBsm shahed 136 RCS

Frontal RCS was calculated using averages of this RCS model from Dhimas Afihandarin from Twitter @Flankerchan. side and rear RCS is just an estimate based off Harop/Harpy and mobin Average of A-D bands was 0.06309573 so 0.0631 rounded up Average of E-M is 0.0089 so 0.009 rounded up rcs

shahed 136 2

Sources

shahed infographic

https://twitter.com/Flankerchan/status/1572046756657135616

https://news.yahoo.com/ukraines-air-force-explains-shoot-182013394.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/18/world/europe/iran-attack-drones-ukraine.html

Huib18 commented 2 years ago

Also used by Russia in the Ukraine. Called Geran-2 (Герaнь-2) in Russia https://twitter.com/josephhdempsey/status/1569616062911549442 https://twitter.com/BNNUkraine/status/1573614584103022592

Called Wa'id by the Houtis in Yemen. https://defence.pk/pdf/attachments/1663778724127-png.881479/ https://defence.pk/pdf/attachments/1663778724127-png.881479/ 1663778724127

BTW no evidence that a anti-radar variant is in use in Iran or Russia of the Shahed-136.

The pictures of www.msai.ir feature net based operations. There is no visible proof of a datalink between the Shahed-136 UAS but maybe in the future. So no net-based operations yet.

Attached a picture of the Wa'id

ghost commented 2 years ago

Also used by Russia in the Ukraine. Called Geran-2 (Герaнь-2) in Russia https://twitter.com/josephhdempsey/status/1569616062911549442 https://twitter.com/BNNUkraine/status/1573614584103022592

Called Wa'id by the Houtis in Yemen. https://defence.pk/pdf/attachments/1663778724127-png.881479/ https://defence.pk/pdf/attachments/1663778724127-png.881479/ 1663778724127

BTW no evidence that a anti-radar variant is in use in Iran or Russia of the Shahed-136.

The pictures of www.msai.ir feature net based operations. There is no visible proof of a datalink between the Shahed-136 UAS but maybe in the future. So no net-based operations yet.

Attached a picture of the Wa'id

was confirmed to be used on Aramco Facility 2019 attack as well by Houthis using Wa'id variant

Nose cone does look large enough to accommodate in addition to warhead, a passive radar seeker or active radar seeker/maybe even a combination of both.

Until further proof is known for anti-radar usage, I will edit out for only EO/IR sensors

PygmalionOfCyprus commented 2 years ago

Does it actually have EO sensors? I can't see any, and I'm not seeing mention of them in any articles beyond a vague intimation that a "recon payload" is possible. The GNSS/Inertial guidance implies that these things have to have a target plugged in beforehand. They seem more like suicide drones than true "loitering munitions."

ghost commented 2 years ago

Does it actually have EO sensors? I can't see any, and I'm not seeing mention of them in any articles beyond a vague intimation that a "recon payload" is possible. The GNSS/Inertial guidance implies that these things have to have a target plugged in beforehand. They seem more like suicide drones than true "loitering munitions."

I just updated guidance to strictly satellite/inertial/semi active laser. I began to notice absence of EO sensors as well upon further scrutiny. Based off recent evidence of usage, the targets used against are mostly stationary/fixed (buildings for example). So a GPS guidance with pre-determinted coordinates is more likely. Mobile units were also struck like tanks and artillery, which would indicate semi active laser guidance from drones/ground controllers. Considering there is no visual proof of video evidence leaked to indicate any EOS/IR/TV cam sensors.

However, they were used to strike artillery batteries which may also mean laser designation (since GPS for mobile units like artillery aren't accurate and can move away in a short amount of time). So that makes me wonder what sensor were used for that (semi active laser designation from forpost drones or laser designator binoculars) similarly to krasnopol shells

Nose cone looks just like Harpy so it can also house a passive radar seeker. But no proof of anti-air defense usage yet. So this needs more info until sensors can be established. But for now no doubt GPS/GLONASS/SATCOM

Recap: Based off recent evidence and targets being struck (buildings, static objects, artillery units) sensors: -SATCOM/GLNASS -Intertial -Semi-active laser designator

PygmalionOfCyprus commented 2 years ago

Handled 497.