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Yugoslavia - "Novi Avion" -- Hypothetical Supersonic Multirole Aircraft (WIP) #2527

Open nuk92 opened 2 years ago

nuk92 commented 2 years ago

DB Selector

DB3K

Baseline

No response

Hypothetical

Yes

Name

L-20 [Novi Avion / YU Supersonic / L-19] -- Yugoslavia, 2003 (Hypothetical)

Country

Yugoslavia

Service

Air Force

In Commission

Hypothetical: late 90s planned, early 2000s more realistic guesstimation

Number in Service

No response

Length (m)

13.75

Wingspan (m)

8

Height (m)

4.87

Empty Weight (kg)

4500

Maximum Takeoff Weight (MTOW) (kg)

12160

Payload Weight (kg)

5000

Crew

1

Propulsion

1x SNECMA M88-2Y

Rate of Climb (ft/min)

54134

Service Ceiling (ft)

55775

Military/Afterburner Speed (kt)

600/1100

Cruise Speed (kt)

480

Supercruise

No

Ferry Range (nm)

-

Endurance (min)

No response

Takeoff / Landing Distance (m)

No response

Fuel Capacity (kg)

2940kg (3600l)

Sensors

1x RDW-2 PESA radar (Thomson CSF & Iskra) wip 1x Iskra SO-2 [RWR] 1x Iskra SO-2 [LWR] 1x Iskra SO-2 [MAWS] 1x AN/AVS-9 NVG

Mounts

1x 30mm Giat 30/M791B [125 rnds] Chaff and Flare Dispenser

Loadout Options

ferry loadout

recon loadout 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x MICA EM (optional) 1x AFIC Recon Pod (Vinten 880, Vinten 753A, ICLS-401) [Visual, IRLS] 1x PDLCT Pod 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 2x 1250 liter Drop Tank

elint loadout 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x MICA EM (optional) 1x VRTIO-VK Pod [ELINT] 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 2x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 4x Super R.530D 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x Super R.530D 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 3x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x Super R.530D 2x MICA EM 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 4x MICA EM 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x MICA EM 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 3x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R-73 4x MICA EM 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x MICA EM (optional) 2x Matra Apache (10x KRISS anti runway) 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x MICA EM (optional) 1x Matra Apache (10x KRISS anti runway) 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 2x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x MICA EM (optional) 2x RB 12 Penguin Mk3 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 4x RB 12 Penguin Mk3 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x RB 12 Penguin Mk3 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 3x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x MICA EM (optional) 2x AGM-65B 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 4x AGM-65B 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x AGM-65B 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 3x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x MICA EM (optional) 2x AGM-65D 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 4x AGM-65D 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x AGM-65D 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 3x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x MICA EM (optional) 2x AGM-65E 1x PDLCT Pod 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 4x AGM-65E 1x PDLCT Pod 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x AGM-65E 1x PDLCT Pod 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 3x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x MICA EM (optional) 2x BGL-400 LGB 1x PDLCT Pod 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 4x BGL-400 LGB 1x PDLCT Pod 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x BGL-400 LGB 1x PDLCT Pod 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 3x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x MICA EM (optional) 2x BGL-1000 Arcole LGB 1x PDLCT Pod 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x MICA EM (optional) 1x BGL-1000 Arcole LGB 1x PDLCT Pod 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 2x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 2x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x MICA EM (optional) 6x BL.755 No.1 CB 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 4x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 12x BL.755 No.1 CB 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 2x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 6x BL.755 No.1 CB 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 3x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 2x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x MICA EM (optional) 6x Durandal 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 4x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 12x Durandal 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 2x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 6x Durandal 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 3x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 2x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x MICA EM (optional) 6x FAB-250 M79 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 4x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 12x FAB-250 M79 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 2x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 6x FAB-250 M79 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 3x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 2x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x MICA EM (optional) 6x FAB-250 M79 [Retarded] 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 4x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 12x FAB-250 M79 [Retarded] 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 2x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 6x FAB-250 M79 [Retarded] 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 3x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 2x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x MICA EM (optional) 6x Mk82 500lb 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 4x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 12x Mk82 500lb 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 2x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 6x Mk82 500lb 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 3x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 2x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x MICA EM (optional) 6x Mk82 500lb Snake Eye 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 4x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 12x Mk82 500lb Snake Eye 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 2x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 6x Mk82 500lb Snake Eye 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 3x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 2x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x MICA EM (optional) 6x OFAB-250-275 Frag 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 4x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 12x OFAB-250-275 Frag 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 2x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 6x OFAB-250-275 Frag 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 3x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 2x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x MICA EM (optional) 6x OFAB-250-275TU Frag [Retarded] 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 4x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 12x OFAB-250-275TU Frag [Retarded] 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 2x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 6x OFAB-250-275TU Frag [Retarded] 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 3x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks -2x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x MICA EM (optional) 6x RAB-250 M91 Prefragmented Airburst 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 4x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 12x RAB-250 M91 Prefragmented Airburst 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks -2x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 6x RAB-250 M91 Prefragmented Airburst 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 3x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 2x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x MICA EM (optional) 6x FAB-275 M91 FAE [Retarded] Proximity Fuze 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 4x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 12x FAB-275 M91 FAE [Retarded] Proximity Fuze 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(3 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 2x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 6x FAB-275 M91 FAE [Retarded] Proximity Fuze 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 3x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(2 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 2x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x MICA EM (optional) 4x FAB-575 M91 FAE [Retarded] Proximity Fuze 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(2 bombs on SN-3-250 racks - 2x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 6x FAB-575 M91 FAE [Retarded] Proximity Fuze 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x FAB-575 M91 FAE [Retarded] Proximity Fuze 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 3x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x MICA EM (optional) 40x S-8KOM 80mm Rocket [HEAT+FRAG] 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 80x S-8KOM 80mm Rocket [HEAT+FRAG] 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 40x S-8KOM 80mm Rocket [HEAT+FRAG] 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 3x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(2 pods on SN-3-100 racks - 2x 60kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x MICA EM (optional) 16x BR-128 M74 128mm Rocket [HE] 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(2 pods on SN-3-100 racks - 4x 60kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 32x BR-128 M74 128mm Rocket [HE] 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(2 pods on SN-3-100 racks - 2x 60kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 16x BR-128 M74 128mm Rocket [HE] 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 3x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(2 pods on SN-3-100 racks - 2x 60kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x MICA EM (optional) 16x BR-128 M80 128mm Rocket [HEAT] 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(2 pods on SN-3-100 racks - 4x 60kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 32x BR-128 M80 128mm Rocket [HEAT] 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(2 pods on SN-3-100 racks - 2x 60kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 16x BR-128 M80 128mm Rocket [HEAT] 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 3x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(2 mines on SN-3-250 racks - 2x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x MICA EM (optional) 4x Mine [AM-500] 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x 1250 liter Drop Tank

(2 mines on SN-3-250 racks - 2x 80kg extra weight for racks) 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 6x Mine [AM-500] 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 1x Drop Tank

2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 2x Mine [AM-500] 1x Iskra SO-2 [DECM Pod] 3x 1250 liter Drop Tank

Comms/Datalinks

UHF/VHF Radio [unsecure] UHF Radio [secure] MICA Command Datalink

Aircraft Codes

Supermanouverability, Fly-by-Wire, Night Navigation/Attack (Incl. Bomb, Rocket Delivery), Bombsight - Advanced Navigation (INS/GPS)

Comments

thrust to weight ratio Novi Avion: 9.4 N/kg

This is purely a fun hypo unit for what-if scenarios since some planes like the Aurora can already be found in DB3K. Some might know it as L-19 from Wargame Red Dragon. The NA's designation would most likely have been L-20 since Yugoslavia planned to purchase the MiG-29S (9-13) during the early 90s after it purchased one squadron of MiG-29s (9-12) (designated as L-18 by the airforce) in 1987. I'm trying to make this a realistic as possible.

NA, Novi Avion also known as Yu Supersonic was the project name for a hypothetical 4th gen supersonic multirole aircraft which was proposed by Yugoslavia in 1983. By 1986 two seperate contracts for preliminary design projects were formed with BAe and AMD-BA (Dassault). The idea was to design, build and market the aircraft in cooperation with BAe or Dassault. By 1991 the Mini Rafale airframe was chosen which would have been powered by one Snecma M88 engine (proposed M88Y version with more thrust). One functional glass cockpit was built by 1989/1990 with 3 MFDs, HUD, HOTAS and voice control for non-critical display/cockpit functions. This cockpit was featured in one lost episode (aired 1989 - 1990) of the Australian television series Beyond 2000 and the voice control was demonstrated. The fly by wire system was tested with one experimental J-22H Orao. The multi-threat detection and warning system was supposed to be developed by the Yugoslav company Iskra, the G-J band jammer was planned by Yugoslavia (included in a fiscal report for mil development programs between 1985 and 1991, no designation mentioned) while the RDW-2 radar was a cooperation of Iskra and Thomson CSF. The loadout shown here is a combination of weapons which were allready in Yugoslav service, planned for the Yu Supersonic or planned for the modernised Orao. Assumptions had to be made for the IR targeting pod and LGBs (most probable models). Some of the data is subject to change in the coming weeks and month.

476830_87161841_Novi Avion

Sources

Vazduhoplovna tehnologija SFRJ uoči raspada države, Sava Pustinja, Belgrade 2017

https://vazduhoplovnetradicijesrbije.rs/index.php/clanak/32-novi-avion

Novi Avion Tunnel

1 топ GIAT 30, калибра 30 mm; Ракете ваздух—ваздух: за блиску борбу R550 Маџик II, средњег домета Супер Матра и с комбинованим вођењем МИКА (фр MICA) („лансирај па заборави“, дејствује од 500 m до 80 km); Вођене ракете ваздух—земља; Разне вођене и невођене бомбе; Системи за активно и пасивно ометање; Подсистем за пасивно ометање је уграђен у унутрашњи контејнер с горње стране задњег дела трупа, а активни ометач је уграђен у контејнер који се подвешава испод авиона.

1 GIAT 30 cannon, caliber 30 mm; Air-to-air missiles: for close combat R550 Magic II, medium-range Super Matra and with combined guidance MICA ("fire and forget", effective from 500 m to 80 km); Air-to-ground guided missiles; Various guided and unguided bombs; Systems for active and passive jamming; The passive jamming subsystem is installed in an internal container on the upper side of the rear fuselage, and the active jammer is installed in a container that is slung under the aircraft.

https://vazduhoplovnetradicijesrbije.rs/index.php/clanak/640-p-sh

У идејном пројекту југословенског надзвучног авиона (НА), између осталог, усвојен и интегрисан је АПАЧ АП као једна од опција ношењанаоружања.

In the conceptual design of the Yugoslav supersonic aircraft (NA), among other things, the APACHE AP was adopted and integrated as one of the weapons carrying options.

FrangibleCover commented 2 years ago

Oh God, not again 😄

I think this looks like a good, fun proposal for an interesting aircraft. I believe the Iskra defensive aids suite was to be based on SPECTRA, in addition to all of the other Rafale tech transfer. Just a couple of minor questions about loadout choices:

nuk92 commented 2 years ago

I fully anticipated this reaction :sweat_smile: It won't push the game over the brink this time you'll see :smile:

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FrangibleCover commented 2 years ago

WRT the Super 530 and MICA problem, we could always ask for two instances of the aircraft, representing the capabilities at service entry with 530 and the capabilities after a few years with MICA and perhaps some of the other more advanced weapons that weren't planned for Orao and therefore wouldn't already be in service. I think it's a fair request, after all we have ten different versions of the Super Tomcats to represent their possible weapon integration development paths.

Carrying the PDLCT and the ESM pod or Vinten pod simultaneously could be a good solution to the recce loadout issue?