France - LSD L 9021 Ouragan (Deep Review)

claudejdev commented 2 years ago

So, I had a fascinating reading on that ship from a book just unboxed from the attic, had a chat with former crew and felt like it would be worth spending some hobby hours to bring up a few details to your attention. Hope that you'll have as much fun as I did. Cheers 🚢

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DB3K 493

Affected DBID(s)

ID	Name
1155	L 9021 Ouragan -- France (Navy) , 1993-0, -
1156	L 9021 Ouragan -- France (Navy) , 1969-0, -
1890	L 9021 Ouragan -- France (Navy) , 1998-2007, -

[x] General data

DataShip [^1] [^2] [^3]

Please modify

Type = 4015 (LSD - Dock Landing Ship)
Name = L 9021 Ouragan [TCD 60]
(1890 only) Name = L 9022 Orage [TCD 60]
(1155 only) Comments = Simbad
(1890 only) Comments = OP3A
(1156 only) YearCommissioned = 1965
(1156 only) YearDecommissioned = 1993
(1155 only) YearDecommissioned = 2002
(1890 only) YearCommissioned = 1995
Height = 42
DisplacementStandard = 7300
DisplacementFull = 8500
Cargo_Area = 1584
(1155 and 1156) Crew = 240
(1155 and 1156) Cargo_Crew = 340
(1890 only) Cargo_Crew = 350
[x] Properties

DataShipCodes [^1]

Please add Refuel to Starboard x 1 (Out), Refuel from Starboard x 1 (In), Replenish to Port x 1 (Out) and Replenish from Port x 1 (In):

ID	CodeID
1155	8005
1155	8106
1155	9001
1155	9101
1156	8005
1156	8106
1156	9001
1156	9101
1890	8005
1890	8106
1890	9001
1890	9101

+ # 8005 Refuel to Starboard x 1 (Out)
+ # 8106 Refuel from Starboard x 1 (In)
+ # 9001 Replenish to Port x 1 (Out)
+ # 9101 Replenish from Port x 1 (In)

[x] Fuel

DataFuel

please create a new entry of Type 3001 (Diesel), and Capacity of 740000 (740 tons)

DataShipFuel [^1]

Please modify (113 m³ of TR5/JP5 fuel are held aboard, at 0.8195 kg/m³, thus 92 tons) : ID	ComponentNumber	ComponentID
1155	1	290
1156	1	290
1890	1	290

- # 290 Aviation Fuel x 8500
+ # 1744 Aviation Fuel x 92210

Please modify (with that new 740 tons of Diesel fuel entry) : ID	ComponentNumber	ComponentID
1155	2	114
1156	2	114
1890	2	114

- # 114 Diesel Fuel x 36000
+ # NEW Diesel Fuel x 740000

[x] Performance Details

DataPropulsionPerformance [^1][^4]

Let's deal with her propulsion, the 1178 2x SEMT-Pielstick 12 PC2 Vxxx Diesels (which it's the sole user)

With 740 tons of diesel, their range is :

7400 nm at 17 knots

9 000 nm at 15 knots

15 000 nm at 12 knots (no data at 5 knots though. I leave it to your best judgement ) My cat have computed that it would translate, in kg/min, to :

(740000/(15000/12))/60 = 9.86666666667

(740000/(9000/15))/60 = 20.5555555556

(740000/(7400/17))/60 = 28.3333333333

So what I suggest doing here is :

ID	AltitudeBand	Throttle	Speed	Consumption
1178	1	1	5	0.9
1178	1	2	15	1.0
1178	1	3	16	1.89
1178	1	4	17	3.75

- # Throttle 2 Speed 15 Consumption 1.0
+ # Throttle 2 Speed 12 Consumption 9.87
- # Throttle 3 Speed 16 Consumption 1.89
+ # Throttle 3 Speed 15 Consumption 20.55
- # Throttle 4 Speed 17 Consumption 3.75
+ # Throttle 4 Speed 17 Consumption 20.55

[x] Sensors/EW

DataShipSensors [^1] [^2] [^3]

Please add a, forward facing, 2133 AN/SQS-17A to 1156 L 9021 Ouragan -- France (Navy) 1969 only.

ID	ComponentNumber	ComponentID
1156	5	2133

+ # 2133 AN/SQS-17A

Please remove the DRBV 51A Triton [TRS 3035].

Observer mixed it up with the look-alike NRBI21 IFF antenna. [^1] pg.205, note 48.

ID	ComponentNumber	ComponentID
1155	3	1160
1156	3	1160
1890	3	1160

- # 1160 - DRBV 51A Triton [TRS 3035]

Please replace the two Decca 1226 by 1x DRBN 32 and 1x Decca 202 on the 1965 variant.

The Decca 1226 was installed in 1972 and 1980. A proper description may mention it.

ID	ComponentNumber	ComponentID
1156	4	3761
1156	5	3761

- # 3761 Decca 1226
+ # 1959 DRBN 32 [Decca 1226]
+ # 2144 Decca 202

Please replace the Decca 1226 with a DRBN 34 on 1993 and 1995 variants ID	ComponentNumber	ComponentID
1155	4	3761
1155	5	3761
1890	6	3761
1890	7	3761

- # 3761 Decca 1226
+ # 1969 DRBN 34 [Decca 1229]

As for the Telegon 4 (165) and the ARBR 16 (1133), I haven't seen any mention. And that kind of equipment is more often seen aboard frigates. I just can't tell for sure one way or the other, so I would suggest to keep as is, until proven otherwise.

[x] Mounts (Guns/Launchers/Ejectors/etc.)

DataShipMounts [^1]

please change the Twin 40mm Bofors, it's a Single one. [^1]

ID	ComponentNumber	ComponentID
1155	3	205
1155	4	205
1156	3	205
1156	4	205
1156	5	205
1156	6	205

- # 205 40mm/60 Twin Bofors
+ # 993 40mm/60 Single Bofors

please remove the Bofors from the 1995 variant, she had none.

ID	ComponentNumber	ComponentID
1890	3	205
1890	4	205

- # 205 40mm/60 Twin Bofors

please remove the 4x 12.7mm/50 MG from the 1965 variant.

ID	ComponentNumber	ComponentID
1156	7	561
1156	8	561
1156	9	561
1156	10	561

- # 561 12.7mm/50 MG

please remove the 30 mm gun from the pre-1995 variants. It wasn't aboard before.

ID	ComponentNumber	ComponentID
1155	1	103
1155	2	103
1156	1	451
1156	2	451

- # 451 30mm/75 Twin Oerlikon GCM-AO1 UK, 1969
- # 103 30mm/75 Twin Oerlikon GCM-AO2 UK

please change the 30mm gun that's left. It actually is the 30mm/82 Breda/Mauser, same as on the Foudre.

ID	ComponentNumber	ComponentID
1890	1	103
1890	2	103

- # 103 30mm/75 Twin Oerlikon GCM-AO2 UK
+ # 1093 30mm/82 Compact OTO-Breda/Mauser Mk30 1989

DataMountDirectors [^1] Let's take a moment to add the Vigy Director for that 30mm gun, as part of the OP3A self-defense system.

ID	ComponentNumber	ComponentID
1093	3	3497
1093	4	3498
1093	5	3499

+ # 3497    Vigy 105 [CCD]
+ # 3498    Vigy 105 [IR]
+ # 3499    Vigy 105 [Laser Rangefinder]

(Does adding a sensor group as Director works by the way ? If so : 2190 - DIBC-2A Vigy 105)

[x] Magazines

DataShipMagazines [^1]

Let's now adapt the magazine to the new Mounts' settings

please remove the 12.7mm/50 MG magazine of the 1965 Ouragan variants.

ID	ComponentNumber	ComponentID
1155	1	760

- # 760 12.7mm/50 MG 4x Mounts

please change the Twin 40mm Bofors magazine to the Single one.

ID	ComponentNumber	ComponentID
1155	2	771

- # 771 40mm/60 Twin Bofors 2x Mounts
+ # 261 40mm/60 Single Bofors 2x Mounts

ID	ComponentNumber	ComponentID
1156	3	1054

- # 1054    40mm/60 Twin Bofors 4x Mounts
+ # 1344    40mm/60 Single Bofors   4x Mounts

please remove the Bofors magazine of the 1995 variant.

ID	ComponentNumber	ComponentID
1890	2	771

- # 771 40mm/60 Twin Bofors 2x Mounts

please remove the 30 mm gun magazine of the pre-1995 Ouragan variants.

ID	ComponentNumber	ComponentID
1155	4	36
1156	2	818

- # 36  30mm/75 Twin Oerlikon GCM-AO2 2x Mounts
- # 818 30mm/75 Twin Oerlikon GCM-AO1 2x Mounts

please change the 30 mm gun magazine to match the 30mm/82 Breda/Mauser mount.

ID	ComponentNumber	ComponentID
1890	4	36

- # 36  30mm/75 Twin Oerlikon GCM-AO2 2x Mounts
+ # 465 30mm/82 Compact OTO-Breda/Mauser Mk30 2x Mounts

[x] DataMagazine [^1]
please copy ID 288 AS.12 HMS Endurance
change its Comments to "L 9021 Ouragan"
change Capacity = 20

DataShipMagazines

then add this new magazine to 1156 L 9021 Ouragan -- France (Navy), 1969. There was 20 AS.12 stored, just in case.

ID	ComponentNumber	ComponentID
1156	5	NEW

[x] Comms/Datalinks

DataShipComms [^1]

Please add a Syracuse 2 satcom to 1993 and 1995 variants

ID	ComponentNumber	ComponentID	ParentSpecific
1156	6	306	1
1890	6	306	1

+ # 306 Syracuse II SATCOM

As for the Link 10 (210), I haven't seen any mention of it. As for now, I just can't tell if it was there or not, so I would suggest to keep as is, until proven otherwise.

[x] Aircraft Facilities

DataShipAircraftFacilities ^1

Please modify

there's no hangar, but an open spot which can hold up to two Super Frelon sized helo

ID	ComponentNumber	ComponentID
1155	1	26
1156	1	26
1890	1	26

- # 26 Hangar (4x Medium Aircraft (12.1-18m Long))
+ # 19 Open Parking (2x Large Aircraft (18.1-26m Long))

Please modify

there is one Small sized pad

ID	ComponentNumber	ComponentID
1155	2	57
1156	2	57
1890	2	57

- # 57 Pad (1x Medium Aircraft (12.1-18m Long))
+ # 49 Pad (1x Small Aircraft (0-12m Long))

Please modify

plus two Large sized pad, one of which on a mobile deck

ID	ComponentNumber	ComponentID
1155	3	57
1155	4	57
1156	3	57
1156	4	57
1890	3	57
1890	4	57

- # 57 Pad (1x Medium Aircraft (12.1-18m Long))
+ # 28 Pad (1x Large Aircraft (18.1-26m Long))

[x] Docking Facilities

DataShipDockingFacilities [^1]

Please modify `8 Medium sized LCM fits in. Since there's no such Dock Well, I believe that the easiest way to do it is to use a 4x Large sized Dock` ID	ComponentNumber	ComponentID
1155	1	17
1156	1	17
1890	1	17

- # 17 Dock Well (2x Medium Dock (LCM, 17.1-25m Long))
+ # 4 Dock Well (4x Large Dock (LCU/LCAC, 25.1-45m Long))

Note : 2 Very Large sized LCU (59m) should be able to fit in. However, the game engine doesn't have such a Physical state, yet?

Please add (a couple LCVP sized davit and 3 RHIB sized davit) :

ID	ComponentNumber	ComponentID
1155	2	9
1156	2	9
1890	2	9
1155	3	39
1156	3	39
1890	3	39

+ # 9 Davit (2x Small Dock/Davit (LCVP, 11.1-17m Long))
+ # 39 Davit (3x Very Small Dock/Davit (0-11m Long))

[x] 2002 variant

2002 Copy ^1

Ouragan : in 2002, her intermediate mobile deck was welded to fit a pair if new diesel generator on. Only 2 LCM could then fit.

Please copy the now modified 1155 - L 9021 Ouragan (France - 1993).

Comments = PMI welded
YearCommissioned = 2002
YearDecommissioned = 2007
Cargo_Crew = 360

DataShipDockingFacilities Please modify

ID	ComponentNumber	ComponentID
NEW	1	4

- # 4 Dock Well (4x Large Dock (LCU/LCAC, 25.1-45m Long))
+ # 17 Dock Well (2x Medium Dock (LCM, 17.1-25m Long))

Mortars ? On the Ouragan only, there was a pair of old 120mm mortar, dismounted in 1990. The crew mentioned how impractical they were and seldom used. If you absolutely want to include them, let me know. I have no specs for now, but that they had 180 rounds each. ^8
Trivia there's a 16 750 liters reserve of wine aboard. 🍷

Sources

TCD Ouragan transport de chalands de debarquement de la marine nationale 1964 - 2007
Anciens Cols Bleus et Pompons Rouges - OURAGAN (TCD)
Gardiner, R., Chumbley, S., & Budzbon, P. (1995). Conway's all the world's fighting ships, 1947-1995. Annapolis, Md: Naval Institute Press. Pg. 125-126
Saunders, S. (2002). Jane's fighting ships, 2002-2003. Coulsdon, Surrey, UK: Jane's Information Group. Pg. 233
In Hooton, E. R. (1997). Jane's naval weapon systems. Coulsdon, Surrey: Jane's Information Group, Ltd.
p3d.in - TCD Orage (The .50 are missing but still, it looks good! ID 1890)

PygmalionOfCyprus commented 2 years ago

Is it only on my end that all the sub-sections have disappeared?

claudejdev commented 2 years ago

I still see them Ethan

Le ven. 20 mai 2022 à 03:44, Ethan Hermanson @.***> a écrit :

Is it only on my end that all the sub-sections have disappeared?

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claudejdev commented 2 years ago

@PygmalionOfCyprus I've removed the expandable content tags. Please let me know if there's anything else to make it more convenient to you.

PygmalionOfCyprus commented 2 years ago

Yep, now I can see them. Not sure what was going on -- the expandable tags on other posts were/are still working fine. It was just this one that suddenly stopped being expandable for me. Thanks!

PygmalionOfCyprus commented 2 years ago

Handled all for 495. Also created 1972 and 1990 variants of Ouragan w/ Decca 1226 and mortars removed, respectively. Always a pleasure!

PygmalionOfCyprus commented 2 years ago

Also, re: the Sensor Groups, those basically just act as a way to easily add/cue a bunch of sensors all at once. That way, for stuff like EO/IR balls, we can just add the one group (and be sure we haven't forgotten anything) instead of manually adding each component.

So yes, you can treat those as directors!

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