x3Karma
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2 years ago Really great read. Have been considering adding a one charge refillable grapple for Infected, they are however unable to use it to hook survivors.
For the Infected health, currently the health stays static until you die. Ex: You spawn as Infected with 11 Survivors, so you have 120 health. Even though you continue killing, as long as you don't die as this Infected, your health will remain at 120 hp even if Survivor count is dwindling.
Proposed solution is to update all Infected's health when a Survivor dies.
The out of bound bug should correctly swap your team to Infected. The Survivor teamkilling bug is still present though (ngl its pretty funny)
Bobbyperson
TrueCP6
Main Suggestions:
The current infection gamemode is unbalanced and generally unfair towards infected players, I believe the following will make the gamemode more fair. I've been hosting and playing infection for a long time now, and I've made most of these changes, which are generally agreed upon by my community to be a drastic improvement from the original gamemode.
The Survivor Meta
The meta is and always will be grapple with gravity star or smoke grenade. Why? Because with grapple, you can reach high places that are impossible to get to without it, go out of the map, and even fling to get to high speeds that stim can't reach. While the other tacticals can be good in some ways, especially if survivors stick together as a team, they will never be as good as grapple. On the default gamemode, it is literally impossible for the infected to win.
Solutions to this:
While you could just forbid this in your server rules, there will always be rule breakers or people who just don't know and you can't watch over 24/7. The easiest and fairest solution I've found is to give infected a grapple. This by itself is really unfair, so to balance it out further my changes are as follows:
On paper this may seem broken or unfun, but I've found that rounds are a lot more even now. Survivors can't go to impossible to reach spaces anymore, and its no longer virtually impossible to run from infected. There have been a few games where the last survivor won through pure movement skill, even with 23 infected chasing them. I've also found its much more fun to be infected, as you have to use your abilities sparingly instead of getting insane movement speed and health regen for free.
Infected Health Issue
The current equation for determining infected health is this:
(X+1)*10where X is the amount of survivors alive. So if there are 10 survivors alive, each infected gets 110 health. I've found that this equation works best when the server is at 12-16 people, and gets a bit unfair when there is more than 16 or less than 12 total players. My server averages 24 people, so I've been tweaking it a bit lower, to 8 health per survivor alive. The main issue that arises with the default value and too many people is: when you have the right amount of infected, it becomes trivially easy to swarm a group of survivors.On a somewhat related note: This graph shows that the total infected health (added between all players) is at its peak when around half of the survivors have died.
Possible solution:
When there are fewer players, infected should each have more health, and when there are more players, infected should have less health. This is to encourage swarming together in groups, instead of just tanking bullets one by one. I think the equation should be edited to accommodate different player counts. While I'm not good enough at math to make an equation that works with most if not all cases, I can give a list of the amount of health I think the infected should get per survivor alive:
5-10 players: 12 health per survivor 10-16 players 8-10 health per survivor 17-24 players: 6-8 health per survivor (Open to discussion on this)
Abusable bugs/unintended features
These are all my suggestions for now, I'm very open to discussing all of this or hearing other people's suggestions.