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R2.9 - recommendations: caribbean spanish details #53

Closed jvcasillas closed 1 year ago

jvcasillas commented 1 year ago

p. 6 line 39 - both Caribbean Spanish and Argentine (porteño?) Spanish use final f0 falls for yes-no questions (absolute interrogatives), I’m not sure this description actually captures the differences. Also, there are differences in the actual falls in different Caribbean Spanishes. Varieties of DR Spanish use what is best described as H+L L% while Puerto Rican Spanish uses ¡H L%. I think Hualde & Prieto also shows that question falls are actually rather common in Spanish, even if their pragmatic meanings are more restricted.

Action: Our description is general (and true), acknowledge variability to reviewer and in prose

GabrielaConstantin-Dureci commented 1 year ago

I reworded that part: "Consider absolute interrogatives, which in certain varieties of Caribbean Spanish can be produced with a nuclear hat pattern, while in Argentine Spanish a falling F0 contour can occur. These examples illustrate variability, as they differ from the more common final rise found in many other varieties (See Hualde & Prieto, 2015). "

Not sure if this is what the reviewer expects/wants though.

RobertEspo commented 1 year ago

I think it might be good to replace "Caribbean" with "Dominican", since Armstrong doesn't document a hat pattern for Puerto Rican absolute interrogatives (but she does for incredulous questions). I think this example is sort of confusing since DR/PR Spanish also have a falling F0 contour for absolute interrogatives, and mentioning the hat pattern feels extraneous to the point that's being made (that some dialects use falls, while others use rises, for absolute interrogatives, which is more looking at the boundary tone than the nuclear tone).

The reviewer also pointed out that absolute interrogatives with falling contours aren't uncommon, just pragmatically restricted, so maybe specifying "information-seeking" will satisfy them.

Maybe something like: "Consider information-seeking absolute interrogatives, which some varieties like Puerto Rican, Dominican, and Argentine Spanish can be produced with a falling F0 contour can occur. These examples illustrate variability, as they differ from the more common final rise found in many other varieties (see Hualde & Pierto, 2015)."

jvcasillas commented 1 year ago

Great suggestions. Thanks.

jvcasillas commented 1 year ago

Incldued via https://github.com/RAP-group/empathy_intonation_perc/pull/76.

We thank the reviewer for this suggestions. It was not our intention to misrepresent the differences between Caribbean and Argentine Spanish. In this case we simple intend to illustrate prosodic variability in Spanish. We have been more precise in our wording of this sentence, which we include below.

Consider information-seeking yes/no questions, which, in some varieties like Puerto Rican, Dominican, and Argentine Spanish, can be produced with a falling F0 contour. These examples illustrate between-variety variability because they can differ from the more common final rise found in many other varieties of Spanish [see @hualde2015intonational].