RP6conrad / ESP-GPS-Logger

GPS logger for Speedsurfing, based on ESP32 & Ublox M8N hardware.
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Support logging using 3 GNSS systems #4

Closed prichterich closed 1 year ago

prichterich commented 2 years ago

The current firmware version does not set which GNSS systems are used, so the default (GPS + GLONASS) is used. User can pre-configure GPS chips (other than the BN180) to use other systems using u-center, but that requires extra equipment (FTDI cable) and skills (using u-center).

I propose to add config flags to use additional GPS systems, in particular Galileo. The BN220, 280, and 880 chips all can handle 3 systems at 5 Hz without problems, and probably also at 10 Hz (I usually use 5 Hz, but I think decrepit uses 10 Hz with his prototypes).

The general thinking is tracking satellites from 3 systems gives higher accuracy than from 2 systems. The benefits may be small in situations where reception is excellent and 18+ GPS+GLONASS satellites can be tracked, but a reduction in reported error estimates can still be seen.

I have added a config flags and the necessary config sentences in my code, but only for Galileo. I have not checked in the changes to my fork on Github yet because there are still some open questions:

  1. What should be the default - 2 or 3 GNSS systems?
  2. Should BeiDou also be supported (as an alternative to Galileo)?

Regarding BeiDou: in my tests with different BN chips, I found that they do not all support BeiDou, even if they report the same firmware version (3.0.1). One chip ignores setting BeiDou on completely, another chip seems to accept the setting. It would be interesting to hear about other chips. I also do not have any data if adding BeiDou improves accuracy.

RP6conrad commented 1 year ago

Can you give me the settings in U-center for 3 different GNSS (see prontscreen) ? I have several Beitian BN GPS which have still ROM version 2, these do not support Gallileo. I prefer to have default 2 GNSS, and configurable 3. I prefer Galileo, but I have no experience with 3 GNSS settings. Maybe with ROM version 2 only Beidou is possible.

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The current firmware version does not set which GNSS systems are used, so the default (GPS + GLONASS) is used. User can pre-configure GPS chips (other than the BN180) to use other systems using u-center, but that requires extra equipment (FTDI cable) and skills (using u-center). I propose to add config flags to use additional GPS systems, in particular Galileo. The BN220, 280, and 880 chips all can handle 3 systems at 5 Hz without problems, and probably also at 10 Hz (I usually use 5 Hz, but I think decrepit uses 10 Hz with his prototypes). The general thinking is tracking satellites from 3 systems gives higher accuracy than from 2 systems. The benefits may be small in situations where reception is excellent and 18+ GPS+GLONASS satellites can be tracked, but a reduction in reported error estimates can still be seen. I have added a config flags and the necessary config sentences in my code, but only for Galileo. I have not checked in the changes to my fork on Github yet because there are still some open questions:

  1. What should be the default - 2 or 3 GNSS systems?
  2. Should BeiDou also be supported (as an alternative to Galileo)? Regarding BeiDou: in my tests with different BN chips, I found that they do not all support BeiDou, even if they report the same firmware version (3.0.1). One chip ignores setting BeiDou on completely, another chip seems to accept the setting. It would be interesting to hear about other chips. I also do not have any data if adding BeiDou improves accuracy. — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or unsubscribe. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.Message ID: @.***>
Jim-Flex commented 1 year ago

Hi Jan, Is this what you mean?

Originally I had no setting in the config.txt, then I realised I didn’t so put the line "gnss”:3 It didn’t make any difference.

Cheers, Jim

On 11 Oct 2022, at 3:12 pm, RP6conrad @.***> wrote:

Can you give me the settings in U-center for 3 different GNSS (see prontscreen) ? I have several Beitian BN GPS which have still ROM version 2, these do not support Gallileo. I prefer to have default 2 GNSS, and configurable 3. I prefer Galileo, but I have no experience with 3 GNSS settings. Maybe with ROM version 2 only Beidou is possible.

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The current firmware version does not set which GNSS systems are used, so the default (GPS + GLONASS) is used. User can pre-configure GPS chips (other than the BN180) to use other systems using u-center, but that requires extra equipment (FTDI cable) and skills (using u-center). I propose to add config flags to use additional GPS systems, in particular Galileo. The BN220, 280, and 880 chips all can handle 3 systems at 5 Hz without problems, and probably also at 10 Hz (I usually use 5 Hz, but I think decrepit uses 10 Hz with his prototypes). The general thinking is tracking satellites from 3 systems gives higher accuracy than from 2 systems. The benefits may be small in situations where reception is excellent and 18+ GPS+GLONASS satellites can be tracked, but a reduction in reported error estimates can still be seen. I have added a config flags and the necessary config sentences in my code, but only for Galileo. I have not checked in the changes to my fork on Github yet because there are still some open questions:

  1. What should be the default - 2 or 3 GNSS systems?
  2. Should BeiDou also be supported (as an alternative to Galileo)? Regarding BeiDou: in my tests with different BN chips, I found that they do not all support BeiDou, even if they report the same firmware version (3.0.1). One chip ignores setting BeiDou on completely, another chip seems to accept the setting. It would be interesting to hear about other chips. I also do not have any data if adding BeiDou improves accuracy. — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or unsubscribe. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.Message ID: @.***>

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RP6conrad commented 1 year ago

Default is 3 gnss, but there are beitian modules with old firmware, these will only receive 2 gnss. (Ublox rom core 3.01 versus rom core 2.01). Verzonden vanaf mijn Galaxy -------- Oorspronkelijk bericht --------Van: Flex @.> Datum: 11/10/22 11:42 (GMT+01:00) Aan: RP6conrad/ESP-GPS-Logger @.> Cc: RP6conrad @.>, Comment @.> Onderwerp: Re: [RP6conrad/ESP-GPS-Logger] Support logging using 3 GNSS systems (Issue #4)

Hi Jan,

Is this what you mean?

Originally I had no setting in the config.txt, then I realised I didn’t so put the line "gnss”:3 It didn’t make any difference.

Cheers,

Jim

On 11 Oct 2022, at 3:12 pm, RP6conrad @.***> wrote:

Can you give me the settings in U-center for 3 different GNSS (see prontscreen) ?

I have several Beitian BN GPS which have still ROM version 2, these do not support Gallileo.

I prefer to have default 2 GNSS, and configurable 3. I prefer Galileo, but I have no experience with 3 GNSS settings. Maybe with ROM version 2 only Beidou is possible.

Greetings, Jan.

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The current firmware version does not set which GNSS systems are used, so the default (GPS + GLONASS) is used. User can pre-configure GPS chips (other than the BN180) to use other systems using u-center, but that requires extra equipment (FTDI cable) and skills (using u-center).

I propose to add config flags to use additional GPS systems, in particular Galileo. The BN220, 280, and 880 chips all can handle 3 systems at 5 Hz without problems, and probably also at 10 Hz (I usually use 5 Hz, but I think decrepit uses 10 Hz with his prototypes).

The general thinking is tracking satellites from 3 systems gives higher accuracy than from 2 systems. The benefits may be small in situations where reception is excellent and 18+ GPS+GLONASS satellites can be tracked, but a reduction in reported error estimates can still be seen.

I have added a config flags and the necessary config sentences in my code, but only for Galileo. I have not checked in the changes to my fork on Github yet because there are still some open questions:

  1. What should be the default - 2 or 3 GNSS systems?

  2. Should BeiDou also be supported (as an alternative to Galileo)?

Regarding BeiDou: in my tests with different BN chips, I found that they do not all support BeiDou, even if they report the same firmware version (3.0.1). One chip ignores setting BeiDou on completely, another chip seems to accept the setting. It would be interesting to hear about other chips. I also do not have any data if adding BeiDou improves accuracy.

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RP6conrad commented 1 year ago

Actual SW gives different options for 3 GNSS : GPS + Glonas + Galileo, or GPS + Glonas + Beidou