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RemoteTechnologiesGroup / RemoteTech

Community developed continuation of Kerbal Space Program's RemoteTech mod.
http://remotetechnologiesgroup.github.io/RemoteTech
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Removing stock-like antennas #783

Closed EoD closed 5 years ago

EoD commented 5 years ago

I am not sure if this is in the interest of RemoteTech 1.x, but in my opinion it would allow an easier migration to RemoteTech 2.x and/or CommNet if all the duplicate antennas would be removed from RemoteTech and automatically replaced by its stock counterpart on a RemoteTech upgrade.

Similar to RemoteTechnologiesGroup/RemoteTech-Antennas@184b0fcb2f44ebd9f6cdef819107c75310a9f740, and keeping RemoteTechnologiesGroup/RemoteTech-Antennas#2 in mind.

KSP-TaxiService commented 5 years ago

Hi, it is not good idea to migrate to the stock antennas only as it would reduce the antenna diversity and hence usability. For example, Reflectron GX-128 is the ultimate antenna covering everything in the solar system while Reflectron KR-7 fills the gap between Communotron DTS-M1 and RA-2 Relay Antenna.

Besides, my on-going research on RemoteTech 2.x's realistic communication model indicates that a large and diverse number of antennas are required and the stock antennas are too few and inadequate to support the entire model. For example, a radar phased array is useful in this model.

EoD commented 5 years ago

@KSP-TaxiService I think you misunderstood the bug report here. What you are describing is neither done RemoteTechnologiesGroup/RemoteTech-Antennas@184b0fc nor what I meant to say with the bug report title.

It is merely about removing stock-like antennas from RemoteTech which are merely a relic from the past, when stock didn't have these antennas.

KSP-TaxiService commented 5 years ago

:thinking: I am not convinced on the merit of dropping custom parts and utilizing stock antennas only. As mentioned, the custom parts are ancient but important in the long history of this mod, giving an unique identity. They still serve as a broad range of functional and visual choices.

I am sorry but this suggestion has more downsides than upsides.

EoD commented 5 years ago

@KSP-TaxiService you are aware, that we are currently talking about 1 antenna. The DP-10. I don't see any downside by doing this and even less upsides. Can you please elaborate?

I was just talking about the plural, because stock might add further duplicate antennas which then also would need removal of course.

KSP-TaxiService commented 5 years ago

Let's start with what you requested, given I seem not able to get your exact point.

Are you suggesting a custom antenna should be deprecated when a new stock antenna similar to the former antenna is added, and RemoteTech migrates to the new stock antenna?

Is it basically same as the other thread (https://github.com/RemoteTechnologiesGroup/RemoteTech-Antennas/issues/2)?

KSP-TaxiService commented 5 years ago

Hi, a gentle reminder on this.

EoD commented 5 years ago

@KSP-TaxiService yes, I would expect to deprecate a RT antenna if a stock equivalent has been released. How the deprecation can be done is a different topic of course.

While it is similar to the other report, this here is meant as a enhancement request, while the other one is a plain bug from my point of view.

KSP-TaxiService commented 5 years ago

I understood now.

Per current procedure, we will disable the corresponding RT antenna's availability in Editor when a new stock equivalent is added to the game. This "deprecated" part will be still accessible to the game to avoid the automated vessel deletion, as you experienced in the other thread.

For the RT DP-01 antenna with the stock equivalent existing, we kinda leave it in as there isn't really strong case for deprecation.

This thread will be closed as there are no other RT antennas with stock equivalents yet.

Thanks!