Beta6 Issues & Roadmap

[RowanMaBoot]

This issue is for our next release, Beta3. Please comment on any bugs and I'll get them added to this list.

If you've any major changes you're working on that you want clearly stated here (you don't need to, but just in case you're working on something that may need manual merging like map changes you may want to).

Current Roadmap:

From Rowan/Altemio

• Introduce a new building system. The building system will be, for the most part, top-heavy with curved bonuses - as you pay more, you gain more. So higher levels will offer considerably larger rewards for construction. Resources on the other hand will be expensive to establish exploitation of, but will get cheaper and more rewarding to construct with each level.
• Regional infrastructure will be handled through a local province modifier rather than a building (I was going to use an event to assign the modifier based on structure construction, but I think it will be possible to use a targeted decision), due to issues encountered with capital switching (since it was capital assigned) and/or issues with effects working as intended.
• Clearly defined structures and requirements, with fewer chained requirements.

From tsf4

• Character work: Last bits of 6566 and mostly, new stuff for Age of Heroes.
• Regional Levy buildings, continuing to give them 10 levels and such.
• Mercenaries, continuing to add them for each area of Westeros.
• Validation work

From TitanRogue

• a river connecting Greywater Watch with the Green Fork
• bug fixing in general and some localisation (if I get to it); Looks like the Validator is updated so maybe I can figure out whats causing the weird jade dragon event locs
• snowless mountain terrain for the obsidian isles and the iron isllands

Proposal:

• Use targeted decisions to grow the settlement size so that we may have a combination of prestige, piety and gold costs for growth?

Known issues to be fixed:

• It has been reported that feudal vassals have negative tax income?
• Provincial revolts are too strong, however most of the time the rebel troops fail to spawn.
• General MP stability (events in general)

[Vierwood]

Some issues:

Provincial revolts seem too strong, most of the time however the rebel troops never spawn.

Castrated boy event spam.

Lack of good conquest CBs like a generic county conquest CB.

We also need to make MP stable.

[RowanMaBoot]

The Castrated event is firing repeatedly? That usually means we've got broken events... MP stability on the other hand is a longer-term project.

[BladedQueen]

The ship route bug at The Neck is fixed. I've also added the forested river of Karhold and polished Dreadfort and the upper Green Fork's impassible border. https://imgur.com/a/apEL3lU

Future plans are to add or extend the following rivers; Milkwater, Wendwater, Tumblestone, Red Fork, Blueburn, Cockleswhent. Plus Red Lake. Some may have impassible sections or navigability with province shape adjustment. Feel free to alter any aspect of the map without worry, I can merge my changes around it.

Besides that, 13 unique buildings to add in after finishing the descriptions.

[TitanRogue]

@Vierwood When does the castrated boy event spam? It desn't appear in my game.

[Vierwood]

@TitanRogue seems very random, but it occurs most often after deciding on an event.

[RowanMaBoot]

If you could get specific event examples that'd be great. Try also using debug_mode ingame so you can see event IDs. That likely means something is broken.

[Vierwood]

Yeah for some reason the issue only appears in some games. I restarted my single player game and the issue vanished.

[tannerflick4]

I have never seen the event.

[Vierwood]

We've also gotten a bunch of reports about it.

[TitanRogue]

When did they start? A specific date would help us to figure out what is causing it.

[Vierwood]

It's been in the game for a long time, I'm not sure how long though.

[RowanMaBoot]

It was reported by players who were playing the mod with an incorrect CK2 version - I'm pretty sure it isn't so much as a problem with the event per se, since it is a totally vanilla event, but more of a problem with events being broken and for some reason that one firing when another event is FUBAR'd.

I've never actually seen it, but on the other hand I constantly crash...

[Vierwood]

@Altemio I uploaded some photos for the Workshop, they're a lot better than the current shitty ones.

[Vierwood]

Also we should upload a hotfix since I was able to finally fix the law clusterfuck.

[tannerflick4]

Which commit was able to fix it?

[Vierwood]

The "Bishopric Fix" one. I just went through all of the succession laws and re did them.

[RowanMaBoot]

Awwwwesome! I'll see if I can get a release out tomorrow.

What was broken with the laws? Kinda strange since the last commit I did on it was a literal copy-pasta of the vanilla file, so would be good to know what was FUBAR'd!

[TitanRogue]

@Vierwood I have noticed that some events like favor events have names, description, etc. but are hidden. That doesn't look right. I am not sure, is it intended if yes I'll delete the redondant lines.

This is from 00_tsk_flavor_events.txt

Knight Minor Title

character_event = { id = tsk.0116 desc = EVTDESCtsk.0116 picture = GFX_evt_knight border = GFX_event_normal_frame_religion' hide_window = yes is_triggered_only = yes

immediate = {
    if = {
      limit = {
        OR = {
          trait = knight
          trait = hedge_knight
          trait = red_knight
          trait = dragon_knight
        }
      }   
      knight_character_effect = yes
    }

}

option = {
    name = EVTOPTAtsk.0116
}

}

There are events fired by on_action and other events and effects that don't exist, too. That could cause the Castrated Boy event spam. There are also several dynasties with at least two cultures.

[RowanMaBoot]

You'd have to ask @Vierwood about it, since that is his area (he's been adding virtually all of the flavour and EMF events).

There is something I'm worried about in that file tho --- GFX_event_normal_frame_religion'

That rogue ' could cause a whole host of issues.

As for missing events in on_actions, dropping them shouldn't be an issue (generally comment them out in case we bring them back, which is entirely possible as I intend to re-port all vanilla events, since it was a rough/botched job) - however, I'm fairly certain firing a non-existent event doesn't do anything. But maybe it does? Hmm.

[Vierwood]

I don't think the hidden events need that stuff, but it doesn't hurt to have them. As for the laws I'm not sure what was broken, but I re did them to fit AGOT rather than Europe.

[TitanRogue]

And what about the dynasties? 801076 = { name = Greatstar culture = bronzeman } ...... 801076 = { name = Greatstar culture = valeman } I know they overwrite each other and are unlikely to cause trouble but we should delete the overwritten lines in order to clean up our code.

[BladedQueen]

Red Lake with some farmland and green bog has been added, in addition to a normal height map matching TitanRogue's non-flickering topology map. Red Lake's town position was also changed to be lore-friendly (NE of lake).

Backups of the old topology map and normal height map are in my personal subfolder. I've been experimenting to see if a balance can be struck between preservation of topological detail and reduced flickering.

[TitanRogue]

@BladedQueen I don't understand why an experimental topology map is necessary. Since my edits actually didn't change anything in the game. I simply recolored all (95 95 95) to (96 96 96). That's it. You don't notice it in-game and there is no loss of detail. If I didn't get your point please explain it to me.

[RowanMaBoot]

the transition between the old 95 95 95 and 96 96 96 generated a slope which was visible - with all 95 95 95 set to 96 96 96, the transitional regions have been flattened out, resulting in large/(r) 'flat' zones on the map.

BladedQueen provided some screenshots that show a difference and it can be seen, but personally I don't think it is a huge deal.

I'll go over the current topology and will make some tweaks to reduce it.

[RowanMaBoot]

@BladedQueen I don't have my normal map tools - only just got GIMP installed, even, so you will want to try to generate a new normal map. It's based on TitanRogue's edits, just with some tweaks to avoid flat-landing.

Very quick, rough and dirty.

[TitanRogue]

@BladedQueen @Altemio Ok, I somehow missed it.

With your latest commitments you have overwritten all my changes of the province map. Did you make a backup file of the latest province file? So I can merge my edits with yours.

[BladedQueen]

@TitanRogue Sorry about that, I mistakenly added an older province map file. All of your improvements have been restored.

About the topology, Rowan explained it, but yes - it led to wide tracts of flat coastal land. It may not seem significant, but it bothered me to lose the variation - which was noticeable in the generated height map. Example: http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/KWKWNNNX

Your fix was totally effective otherwise at removing all flickering, and I wanted to manually merge your edits into the problematic map areas. It's unnecessary now.

@Altemio New normal height map generated for the revamped topology. I like it. Confirmed that there is no flickering whatsoever in-game, and if anything, there's more topological variation than the older version. Did you only hit Westeros, by the way? I noticed Essos seemed unaffected. :P

[RowanMaBoot]

@BladedQueen Awesome! Yeah I've not got to Essos yet, since editing maps is rather arduous.

[Vierwood]

@Altemio I did a 250 year sim.

It actually turned out really well. Minus of course the economy of every province being ridiculous.

[TitanRogue]

@Vierwood It really did! The March government looks well balanced and the other kingdoms look really good as well. I believe we need to strenghten Dorne to resist to foreign invaders maybe by giving the provinces a huge amount of enemy attrition.

[tannerflick4]

I added a Mystics society. Everything seems fine with it, except for the interface. You guys can tweak it as you like, but I was basing it off the vanilla hermetics and "mystical" people and stuff in the history/lore for Game of Thrones, such as the search for and use of "magic" in Essos to the underground Westeros goings on like the white walkers, children, and based on how both books and show has many people who you can picture investigating stars, myths, etc.

[tannerflick4]

I would like for no one to mess with the cultural buildings. Not trying to sound bossy, I just have an idea of what I want to do with them and don't want interference/balancing done on them yet.

My mindset is that no longer will the building ("levy") take away from garrison, and each of the 10 levels will only gain a net worth of 250 troops (which is not much at all!). This equals 2500 net worth of troops for a fully upgraded level 10 cultural levy building, which is not bad, especially since it is restricted to capital baronies, AND tied in with prerequisite town/road buildings. It represents more people coming in from the countryside to your castle/keep/city/etc and contributing to your "levy". For example, a Stormlander cultured province would pick up different people for its army than a Northmen province would, due to a difference in the two cultures.

Thank you for holding back the balancing/edits/etc for now, and hopefully you can see the reason I am putting behind these buildings.

[RowanMaBoot]

I'm actually working on a building overhaul (so all of the non-cultural buildings will be changing), so please bear it in mind when making your changes! It is quite spreadsheet heavy so far, so it's taking a bit longer to do than it should. The way it is being set up is so that a fully upgraded castle or city may only offer 3,000 troops, at a cost of 16,000 gold and taking upwards of say 150-300 years depending on modifiers, infrastructure and the sort.

The reason for the smaller numbers is because lore-wise an individual barony in many cases could only offer a few hundred troops - less, such in the case of some of the northern houses due to war exhaustion - and having provinces as we do right now supplying 30k+ between each holding is kinda insane.

So I'd be careful how you go about doing cultural buildings - in fact, rather than adding lots of troops I'd look into having them change troop compositions and using them for the retinue size (we can add retinues too) , as well as other small flavour stat tweaks.

Because cultures themselves already do the following:

• Adjust the levy sizes and tax income, to simulate some cultures being more or less fussy about recruits (quantity versus quality).
• Modify the strength of certain unit types, so that they may deal more damage or take less damage during certain combat phases.

But we can't do some other stuff. So for the buildings to work properly, without creating imbalance or redundancy (like just for the sake of being there), they should do the following:

• Change troop compositions. So you'll lose 25 light_infantry but gain 25 archers, for example.
• Instead of creating cultural barracks buildings such as in vanilla, the cultural buildings can be relatively cheap but time consuming to build, working to fill that gap.
• Offer small amounts of tax income or fort level, so cultures known to be harder to invade might see small amounts of bonus fort level.
• Retinue size bonuses?

[tannerflick4]

Thanks for the info. I will definitely keep in touch with your building edits, since I really do want to have these tied in with the market, road, village type buildings.

I will make them deal with troop composition, with fort level and garrison and retinues for the cultures it seems like would make sense to use them with.

I am definitely a building nut, since I enjoy having lots of them to build during a playthrough.

[TitanRogue]

Can't wait to see the changes in the game.

[RowanMaBoot]

The way the building system is going now is in the direction of bloat avoidance. There will be a few fewer buildings, but each one will matter more. Costs and bonuses will curve either with or against each other where it makes sense - so whilst you might be spending more, you actually get more bang for your buck the more you upgrade a particular tree.

Additionally I want to move building assignment to an event-based system rather than using technology, so we can fine-tune it so higher ranked rulers will have more development.

[tannerflick4]

Ok. While I disagree in that direction, I do understand it as well. I like the idea of events driving it, but I do not want it to be like the old Middle Earth mod's system, where there was no chance of a different "start" ever. Every time I would play a certain year, it would always start out the same, which I found incredibly boring.

[RowanMaBoot]

It will be more dynamic than it is now! For example, every game the Reach and Oldtown is virtually the same development due to the constructed buildings being hard-defined in the history file. Plus or minus a building handled by tech.

Ideally there will be a huge amount of randomisation since we will be able to use proper weighting and random components, and will be able to have more developed seats (for example, if you're a King or Empire tier ruler you will have more development than a count).

Events only control what is initially built - in the same way resources are handed out. If you've the money and interest you will be able to turn any seat into a gargantuan citadel.

Don't get me totally wrong though - tech will determine the bulk of development, but rather than using messy history distribution we'll have buildings assigned via the event dynamically based on your title rank and then secondarily based on certain provinces.

[tannerflick4]

Sounds very cool! heavily anticipates

[tannerflick4]

For some reason, the wildling revolters are calling themselves "Khans" and when they win, it creates a nomadic holding. Very odd, and I cannot figure out how to fix it. Last example I had is a religious revolt for the beyond the wall old gods's heresy, and he was Khagan at the declaration and end of the war.

@Altemio @Vierwood

[tannerflick4]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/proof-of-concept-agot-seven-kingdoms.1116399/

What do you all think of this? IMO, I only do not like it because far far in the future, I was planning on doing the book years. Also, seems kind of underhanded, maybe?

[TitanRogue]

@tannerflick4 It´s actually pretty cool. You got to have your stamina bar filled for such a project. But I wouldnt play it. The map is far too large for these scenarios if you dont populate it properly.

[Vierwood]

If anything one of you guys should approach him and ask if he wants to help us with the mod. We're in dire need of people who are willing to do the history.

[TitanRogue]

@Vierwood Done.

[Vierwood]

Thanks.

[tannerflick4]

So are we in for supporting this guy's effort? I am okay with it. It will end up being a mess anyways unless he really keeps up with both team's edits.

[Vierwood]

Yeah I don't mind it, I doubt the AGOT team will agree.

[tannerflick4]

the new DD is wonderful. This will let people play our mod with random and shattered worlds. Interesting to see how hard it will be to be included

[RowanMaBoot]

It wouldn't be feasible for them to support it as a sub-mod, they'd have to re-release our and AGOT's content as an independent, standalone mod.

[TitanRogue]

@Altemio There are purple and yellow colored columns in the Reach row of the provinceDef.xls. Does it have a function or can I change it to green?