Closed Christian-Shom closed 4 months ago
What about something like this?
Pattern and line thickness as per ICEARE04. Background colour could be a bit more greyish if wanted ......
Portrayal subWG meeting - 12th January 2023
The subWG decided to refer proposals to update existing symbology or develop new one to the NCWG. This is to provide an opportunity to harmonise presentation among different charting products and ensure concepts and definitions between S-4 and DCEG stay aligned.
Alvaro to submit this issue for discussion at the next NCWG meeting in November 2023. Issue will remain open until feedback is received by the NCWG.
Paper submitted to NCWG9 (Nov 2023). Will leave this issue open until we get feedback from NCWG Chair.
Ice Areas and Un-surveyed areas are very similar from a clarity POV, blue could be mistaken for a depth area plus we need to remain mindful of the different colour modes on an ECDIS. UK shared images of examples for issue 6 on paper 5.14. UK shared an image an image of what they do for an unsurveyed area.
The Chair suggested there should be a colour difference as it makes it unclear, The Chair asked the group what would be the preferred area, he said that the ice area may need to change.
Denmark suggested a darker grey as it creates a differentiation. ESRI suggested using C25. It has also been noted that the different display modes, night, and dusk for example, could affect the tone of the grey.
India - in my opinion unsurveyed areas and the areas coved with ice both are obstruction to safe navigation. However, we have symbol for ice covered on land. The floating ice is subject to drift. The area can be demarcated with danger line with a caution note. Too much symbology may create data clutter and confusion.
The Chair suggested changing the background grey to a different grey in an ice area.
Outcome: NCWG agrees that different colours are required for clarity.
Please find attached the S-57 dataset (NO2A4852) covering the area of the example in the first post above. Please note that this is a remote area (Svalbard 80° N) with limited surveys and very bad data quality and coverage, so the encoding might not be optimal.
The dataset has not been prepared for S-101 conversion, please let me know if there are any issues converting it and I will correct the S-57 file if needed.
Decisions made at Portrayal subWG meeting on 09/04/24
S-57 file has been converted to S-101 using Australian Conversion mapping and has been trial loaded in ShoreECDIS to ensure it loads.
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Could you add an IceArea
in the unsurveyed area and also one over part of the depth area?
It might be useful to add an attribute to indicate whether the IceArea
is over land or water. If over land just the pattern could be drawn; when over water the fill and pattern could be drawn.
Here's an alternate portrayal where the fill is not drawn: | Day | Dusk | Night |
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I have now updated the S-57 file and added 2 ICEAREs in the lower left part of the dataset. File is attached below.
In the S-101 dataset, I have added 2 ICEARE features as well. 101AU002A4852.zip
Here's another portrayal using the new data and a translucent fill:
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I'm happy with how IceArea looks on land when removing the background color as suggested by Dave.
I'm not sure about the real use cases for having IceArea features over Bathy (contours and sounding +Depth Area) though ..... In S-57 ICEARE does not trigger A&I so I imagine that a safer option for alerting Mariners of Ice coverage would be CTNAREs released by ENC updates that are released, as needed, when conditions change. Maybe other producers would create ENC updates having the dangerous area covered by ICEARE and UNSARE and keep the bathy where is possible no navigate (e.g. 'thin' or no ice coverage).
Maybe we are overthinking possible real-world scenarios and, by just removing the background color from ICEARE over land, we are covering and improving the portrayal for the most common scenarios.
I would like to hear what those producers like @forodd (Norway) have to say about their encoding practices and what else we can do to improve portrayal in those scenarios.
I am also happy about the proposal to just remove the background color for ICEARE covering land.
We only encode the glaciers on land (ICEARE w CATICE=5 on top of LNDARE) but the seaward edge might end up in an UNSARE, so ICEARE might be encoded also on top of UNSARE close to land, but never on top of DEPARE.
We do not encode any floating ICEAREs so it is not so important for us how it looks with ICEARE on top of DEPARE.
Decision:
- [ ] NIWC to update IceArea Rule and remove the use of Color Fill (NODTA) when IceArea overlaps LandArea. Retain Color Fill for when it overlaps UnsurveyedArea features (as per current practices, IceArea portrayal will continue having priority (masking) Unsurveyed symbology).
Currently, the portrayal would have to do spatial evaluation to determine if an IceArea
overlaps a LandArea
. It's not clear what should happen when an IceArea
overlaps both a LandArea
and an UnsurveyedArea
(or more consequently, a DepthArea
).
I'd recommend either:
Always use a translucent fill
Add an ECDIS system (portrayal) attribute to control the opacity of the color fill associated with a feature.
Decision:
Implemented in PC 1.3:
Implemented in PC 1.3.0
From ENCWG "Display Sub WG" (Norway) The portrayal of an Ice area encoded on Land area is very similar to Unsurveyed area. It is then very difficult to distinguish between Ice area and Unsurveyed area. A new S-101 symbology for Ice area would be desirable.