Open pbuttigieg opened 9 years ago
The top level classes "consumption" and "production" could be ENVO classes as they are more about systemic production and consumption rather than that of individuals. @rlwalls2008 PCO could also be relevant here as these refer to population- and community-level processes.
Several key words and phrases are present in more than one goal. These are not repeated below.
Target | Key[words, phrases] | Target ontologies | Notes |
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12.2 | natural resources | ENVO, SDGIO | materials and possibly processes in ENVO with resource disposition in SDGIO |
12.2 | management, efficient use | SDGIO, PATO | possibly PATO for "efficient" |
12.3 | food | ENVO | food has been housed in ENVO for quite a while, pending adoption by a food-focused ontology. |
12.3 | per capita | PCO, SDGIO | PCO for representation of populations and SDGIO or similar to translate this into 'per capita' |
12.3 | retail level, consumer level, supply chain, production chain | economic and logistic ontologies required. | "supply chains" and related could be represented as anthropogenic environmental processes in ENVO, however. |
12.3 | harvest, waste, loss | ENVO | Possible anthropogenic classes in ENVO, as long as waste and loss refer to material entities (grain, meat products, etc) and not monetary equivalents. Would require a economic ontology for the latter. |
12.4 | waste (material) | ENVO | this would be a disposition of an environmental material |
12.4 | chemicals | CHEBI | relatively straightforward, depending on what constitutes a chemical in the corpus |
12.4 | life cycle | SDGIO | to be surrendered to an economic ontology? |
12.4 | international frameworks | SGIO | surrender to a policy ontology - what is an international framework? |
12.4 | agreed (and disputed) | SDGIO, PATO | This will be a fuzzy quality or status of a policy entity |
12.4 | release of chemicals and wastes | ENVO | an environmental process, wastes need to be defined. |
12.4 | soil, air, water | ENVO | already present, definitions must be checked for consistency with the SDGs |
12.4 | human health | SIO has a 'healthy' class, but a simple entity concerning 'health' is oddly missing from the ontologies indexed by Ontobee | |
12.4 | environment | ENVO | environmental system, unless this is constrained to non-anthropogenic environments or some sort of list of environments of interest. In that case we'd have to represent this aggregate. |
12.5 | waste generation (prevention of, reduction of) | ENVO, SDGIO | Can be an environmental process. |
12.5 | recycling and reuse of waste (material) | ENVO, SDGIO | anthropogenic rather than natural recycling and reuse assumed. Will change disposition or role from waste to resource. |
12.6 | (large, small, medium, transnational) companies | SDGIO | instituted continuants with human and non-human parts, belongs to and should be surrendered to some sort of legal ontology, I'd think. |
12.6 | reporting cycle | SDGIO, OBI, IAO | very operational and can be very general (scientific/legal/agency/company reporting), some sort of planned process with an information artefact output. |
12.6 | sustainable practices | SDGIO | will have to find out what is meant by 'sustainable' in the context of the SDGs |
12.6 | sustainability information | SDGIO, IAO | about a sustainable practice, I assume. |
12.7 | promotion (of a process) | SDGIO, ENVO | As a very general, regulation-like process, this could be added to ENVO, but a class talking about the kind of promotion relevant to economic processes should probably be in SDGIO and surrendered to an economic ontology. |
12.7 | public | PATO, SDGIO | perhaps surrender to a legal ontology |
12.7 | procurement process | SDGIO | surrender to an economic or legal ontology |
12.7 | national policy | SDGIO | surrender to policy ontology |
12.7 | national priority | SDGIO | surrender to policy ontology |
12.8 | people everywhere | PCO | the total human population on Earth |
12.8 | information about sustainable development | IAO, SDGIO | the SD part will be defined in SDGIO |
12.8 | awareness | SDGIO | seems a psychological class, but could be in some sort of policy ontology (e.g. public awareness). |
12.8 | (human) lifestyle | SDGIO | could sit well in a behaviour ontology and be generalised to all species |
12.8 | harmony with nature | SDGIO | poetic, needs more precise definition probably connected with sustainability and interaction of human lifestyle with ecosystem processes (including a carefully constructed web of ecosystem services) |
12.a | support (process of) | SDGIO, ENVO | as with promotion (12.7), this could be generalised and live in ENVO, but SDGIO should have the operationalised class. |
12.a | developing countries | SDGIO | surrender to a policy/economics ontology |
12.a | capacity (scientific, technological) | SDGIO | something like a disposition to generate scientific or technological products or render services. Surrender to economic or policy ontology. In this target, it's the capacity to "move towards" an SDG-compliant system state. |
12.a | pattern (of sustainable consumption and production) | SDGIO, BFO | something as high-level as "pattern" may belong in BFO, if it can't be expressed using existing classes. SDGIO can have the subclass specific to this target. |
12.b | monitoring process | SDGIO, OBI | |
12.b | monitoring tools | SDGIO, OBI | |
12.b | impact (of sustainable development) | SDGIO, ENVO | |
12.b | sustainable tourism | SDGIO, ENVO | surrender to an economic ontology, cross-link to environments and ecosystems |
12.b | local | SGDIO | |
12.b | culture | SDGIO | |
12.b | politics | SDGIO | |
12.b | jobs | SDGIO | surrender to an economic ontology |
12.c | rationalisation process | SDGIO | needs clarification |
12.c | fossil fuel | ENVO | many classes already exist, however 'fuel' needs to be represented as a disposition. |
12.c | subsidies | SDGIO | surrender to an economic and/or policy ontology |
12.c | wasteful | PATO, SDGIO | hinges on good definition of waste |
12.c | market | SDGIO | surrender to an economic ontology |
12.c | market distortion | SDGIO | surrender to an economic ontology |
12.c | taxation | SDGIO | surrender to an economic and or policy ontology |
12.c | restructuring process | SDGIO | needs clarification |
12.c | phasing out process | SDGIO | needs clarification |
12.c | harmful (of subsidies) | SDGIO, PATO | needs clarification |
12.c | environmental impacts | SDGIO, ENVO | |
12.c | needs and conditions (of developing countries) | SDGIO | needs clarification and more precision, surrender to an economic and or policy ontology? |
12.c | (of countries) developmental impact | SDGIO | |
12.c | 'the poor' | SDGIO, PCO, PATO | |
12.c | impacted communities | PCO, PATO, SDGIO |
@mark-jensen first pass at goal 12 above - please evaluate in this issue. We can create a wiki page when we think we have arrived at a more stable table.
@cmungall @rlwalls2008 @phismith @pdez90 - may be of interest to you too, input is welcome.
I think having consumption and production in ENVO makes more sense from a modularization point of view. Does this extend beyond human processes, e.g. to biogeochemical processes.
Waste: is this always from a human perspective? If a crop is destroyed by weevils, this is food waste from a human perspective, but weevils beg to differ. For recycling you're assuming anthropogenic, may be good to be explicit throughout.
"environment": remember a class expression like "impacts some 'environmental system'" is quite weak. Eating a portion of food impacts an environmental system. I think we will need some way of talking explicitly about the whole environment, or at least a major aggregate.
A lot of stuff you have under PATO might fit better in an ontology better suited to information artefacts or anthropogenic thingies.
I see parallels with processes in GO and we could reuse some design patterns:
I am tempted to say that production and consumption are general enough to belong to the interface ontology -- certainly they apply to legal, health, food services -- consumption certainly applies e.g. to water
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I think having consumption and production in ENVO makes more sense from a modularization point of view. Does this extend beyond human processes, e.g. to biogeochemical processes.
Waste: is this always from a human perspective? If a crop is destroyed by weevils, this is food waste from a human perspective, but weevils beg to differ. For recycling you're assuming anthropogenic, may be good to be explicit throughout.
"environment": remember a class expression like "impacts some 'environmental system'" is quite weak. Eating a portion of food impacts an environmental system. I think we will need some way of talking explicitly about the whole environment, or at least a major aggregate.
A lot of stuff you have under PATO might fit better in an ontology better suited to information artefacts or anthropogenic thingies.
I see parallels with processes in GO and we could reuse some design patterns:
- biosynthesis/catabolism: production/consumption (although there are subtleties in the difference between manufacture/synthesis and production. Does Apple US produce iPhones, or does China? We have analogous discussions about some molecules)
- secretion <=> release
- homeostasis <=> harmony (on dodgy territory here)
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In ecology, production and consumption can have somewhat restricted meanings, relating to carbon cycling. These processes could go into ENVO. However, I think we need more general terms for SDGIO, as Barry suggests.
@cmungall
I think having consumption and production in ENVO makes more sense from a modularization point of view. Does this extend beyond human processes, e.g. to biogeochemical processes.
I think this goal is anthropocentric, but ENVO can classes concerned with the production and consumption of material entities. In terms of services, I'm not so sure (see phismith's comment below).
Waste: is this always from a human perspective? If a crop is destroyed by weevils, this is food waste from a human perspective, but weevils beg to differ. For recycling you're assuming anthropogenic, may be good to be explicit throughout.
We're picking this up in #35. The crop destruction isn't really waste, more like loss, but I get your point. There is definitely a dimension of intent that has to be represented. On recycling: yes, we'll be more specific in the label.
"environment": remember a class expression like "impacts some 'environmental system'" is quite weak. Eating a portion of food impacts an environmental system. I think we will need some way of talking explicitly about the whole environment, or at least a major aggregate.
Agreed: sounds like a thresholding issue. Who decides when an environment has been significantly impacted? I suppose it's connected to whether or not the environmental system can still realise its functions, carry out its processes, and act as a habitat for its ecological populations after the 'impact'. Even if it can in an absolute sense, how much does the magnitude have to change for this to be considered an impact? Let's follow up in #47.
A lot of stuff you have under PATO might fit better in an ontology better suited to information artefacts or anthropogenic thingies.
I generally added a PATO tag if there was a quality involved. Of course, qualities can live elsewhere without impacting the semantics if we import BFO:dependent continuant
and its subclasses. Should we just add these to SDGIO for convenience and, if there's reason to, ship them to PATO later?
I see parallels with processes in GO and we could reuse some design patterns: biosynthesis/catabolism: production/consumption (although there are subtleties in the difference between manufacture/synthesis and production. Does Apple US produce iPhones, or does China? We have analogous discussions about some molecules) secretion <=> release homeostasis <=> harmony (on dodgy territory here)
Good points, and very pertinent to notions from ecological economics that will certainly feature in this realm of semantics. I don't think things are too far removed, Apple (like the TCA cycle) is some configuration of participants (like anatabolic and catabolic enzymes, regulatory elements, etc) some of which are humans with factory worker roles in China which contribute to the production of some material entity. Secretion would be a special case of 'release'. Homeostasis can be far from desirable, in some cases; I'd associate it more with processes that buffer perturbations and return systems to some defined state (cf. resilience).
@phismith
I am tempted to say that production and consumption are general enough to belong to the interface ontology -- certainly they apply to legal, health, food services -- consumption certainly applies e.g. to water
The kinds of production and consumption that occur in ENVO would be limited to the production and consumption of environmental materials or features. SDGIO would need to account for the consumption of information, services, and similar entities. It would be a stretch to include those in ENVO as it currently stands.
For example, while ENVO would contain environmental processes, the fact that these are ecosystem services would probably be expressed in SDGIO or an ontology derived therefrom. ENVO could have processes like "crop irrigation" which would be a form of water consumption (has input some [portion of] water). SDGIO could have a class with a logical definition: process and has input some ENVO:water.
@rlwalls2008
In ecology, production and consumption can have somewhat restricted meanings, relating to carbon cycling. These processes could go into ENVO. However, I think we need more general terms for SDGIO, as Barry suggests.
Do keep in mind that ENVO is not restricted to ecology, despite ecology being an important concern. If the production and consumption is somehow pertinent to the interactions in a environmental system, ENVO could host the classes. I'm not averse to having these in other ontologies and importing if needed; however, describing anthropogenic ecosystems does require some forms of production and consumption that are not from ecologically terminology.
Based on those arguments, I am happy to see production and consumption as general terms in ENVO.
Represent Goal 12.
This will primarily involve ENVO and SDGIO, but many SDGIO classes will be pushed to new domain ontologies when they are created or found.