Open mark-jensen opened 8 years ago
Linked to discussion on #82
I believe this would be some sort of information artefact (perhaps a value specification?) and would have a definition that looks like:
natural capital
=def. The total value of Earth's natural assets and the ecosystem services which depend on them.
I changed "provide" in the phrasing above (https://github.com/SDG-InterfaceOntology/sdgio/issues/94#issue-134623639) as the asset need not be an ecosystem and thus cannot provide and ecosystem service, but can be part of an ecosystem and a necessary participant in an ecosystem service.
natural asset
needs definition, see https://github.com/SDG-InterfaceOntology/sdgio/issues/82#issuecomment-182815616. @pdez90 could you provide one?
I would propose an initial definition:
natural asset
=def. An asset which is the result of or itself an environmental process that has not been substantially altered by human activity.
This definition suggests that an ecosystem service is, itself, a natural asset, which makes sense.
There are thresholding questions to address later: what's the boundary between natural and artificial or 'unnatural'? This is where a policy or declaration comes in.
We will eventually need valuation process
to approach these classes more eloquently.
The Natural Capital Declaration definition above https://github.com/SDG-InterfaceOntology/sdgio/issues/94#issue-134623639 seems to refer to the actual entities themselves, rather than some measure of value.
They are using "capital" like:
Capital is a type of good that can be consumed now, but if consumption is deferred, an increased supply of consumable goods is likely to be available later. (Wikipedia:Capital_(economics))
rather than "Financial capital" as we saw with the discussions in #82
any form of wealth capable of being employed in the production of more wealth
Wikipedia's definition is helpful:
Natural capital is the world's stock of natural resources, which includes geology, soils, air, water and all living organisms. Natural capital assets provide people with a wide range of free goods and services, often called ecosystem services, which underpin our economy and society and some of which even make human life possible.
Sourced from: "What is natural capital?". naturalcapitalforum.com. World Forum on Natural Capital. Retrieved 31 December 2015. and "What is Natural Capital". www.naturalcapitalcoalition.org. Natural Capital Coalition. Retrieved 31 December 2015.
@mark-jensen Perhaps creating a class like "capital" which is the sum of goods where good=def. "A material entity which can be bought and sold in a market" OR resources (i.e. material entities with resource roles) would be useful. We can then have natural capital as "Capital composed of natural assets and the ecosystem services which depend on them."
@pdez90 we don't have any UNEP preferred definition at this stage. Please provide one.
@pbuttigieg
The Natural Capital Declaration definition above #94 (comment) seems to refer to the actual entities themselves, rather than some measure of value.
Agree with this.
Perhaps creating a class like "capital" which is the sum of goods where good=def. "A material entity which can be bought and sold in a market" OR resources (i.e. material entities with resource roles) would be useful.
capital
is odd, certainly role-like, closely tied to resource
and asset
. We will need to spend more time working the exact semantics out, fitting it all together. It is not immediately clear to me how to separate asset
from capital
. But for now:
natural capital
= A material entity which is composed of the total of Earth's natural assets and the ecosystem services which depend on them
capital is odd, certainly role-like, closely tied to resource and asset. We will need to spend more time working the exact semantics out, fitting it all together. It is not immediately clear to me how to separate asset from capital.
I think this is a compositional class, a union operation over all material entities with asset roles. In this rendition, "capital" itself is a material entity. @cmungall may know of a pattern that would work.
natural capital = A material entity which is composed of the total of Earth's natural assets and the ecosystem services which depend on them
This may be better as a collection:
natural capital
= A collection of material entities which is composed of material natural assets and the ecosystem services which depend on them.
I removed "Earth" as that would prevent subclassing. We can create a subclass like global natural capital
to handle the Earth's total natural capital.
Also, I added "material natural assets" as a natural asset could also be a process and capital does not seem to include processual entities, but only "goods". However, the "ecosystem services" component doesn't work anymore. We either have to remove it or treat this form of capital as different from material capital.
Hi
I do not know what discussions Jacquie had today at the meeting. I will find out tomorrow and reply to all of the above
Thanks!!
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Pier Luigi Buttigieg < notifications@github.com> wrote:
capital is odd, certainly role-like, closely tied to resource and asset. We will need to spend more time working the exact semantics out, fitting it all together. It is not immediately clear to me how to separate asset from capital.
I think this is a compositional class, a union operation over all material entities with asset roles. In this rendition, "capital" itself is a material entity. @cmungall https://github.com/cmungall may know of a pattern that would work.
natural capital = A material entity which is composed of the total of Earth's natural assets and the ecosystem services which depend on them
This may be better as a collection:
natural capital = A collection of material entities which is composed of natural assets and the ecosystem services which depend on them.
I removed "Earth" as that would prevent subclassing. We can create a subclass like global natural capital to handle the Earth's total natural capital.
— Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub https://github.com/SDG-InterfaceOntology/sdgio/issues/94#issuecomment-185863510 .
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@pbuttigieg Good, thanks!
I suggest that we are explicit and have natural capital
(strictly material goods / assets) and natural capital and ecosystem services
(a union class with ecosystem services).
ecosystem services
belong in ENVO?
ecosystem services belong in ENVO?
I'd say this will be in SDGIO, as the definition will rely on some regulatory specification (probably). I see quite a lot of webinars and papers on 'ecosystem services' as a contentious term. ENVO will host each environmental process
that will be made an ecosystem service
through a role or similar in SDGIO.
@mark-jensen My def needs some revision:
natural capital
= A collection of entities which is composed of material natural assets and the ecosystem services which depend on them.
We could say "collection of independent continuants and occurrents" rather than entities.
As we have processes in there, the collection contains more than just material entities.
Hi, This term seems to be politically charged and countries havent yet agreed on the definition after much deliberation at the meeting at UNEP last week.
I have attached a document circulated amongst countries by Jacquie. I will keep updating this thread with more information after speaking to her.
International Definitions of Natural Capital and Natural Resources22.docx
@pdez90 Thanks for the update. We can represent alternative semantics with different labels and create a general class based on these (as long as they are not completely different entities). Please let us know when a more stable consensus is reached.
From the document you posted in https://github.com/SDG-InterfaceOntology/sdgio/issues/94#issuecomment-187034714
Natural capital are natural assets in their role of providing natural resource inputs and environmental services for economic production.
We can adapt the current definition of natural capital using the definition in the UNEP communique:
natural capital
= A collection of material natural assets and the environmental services which depend on them.
The "economic production" aspect would be covered by the definition of "asset" and "natural asset" (see below). These make it clear that a material natural asset can serve as a natural resource in its own right (indeed, an asset is a subclass of resource). We could extend the definition (or add another, "official" definition annotation property) if desired, but this will be quite long winded.
This won't have the exact wording as the treatment of roles in ontology is very specific. @mark-jensen: We can include the 'official' wording in another annotation property called "official definition" or similar.
However:
We need a stable definition of natural asset. Right now we're considering:
natural asset =def. An asset which is the result of or itself an environmental process that has not been substantially altered by human activity. https://github.com/SDG-InterfaceOntology/sdgio/issues/94#issuecomment-185815834
The definition of asset
was discussed in https://github.com/SDG-InterfaceOntology/sdgio/issues/82#issuecomment-182815616 and https://github.com/SDG-InterfaceOntology/sdgio/issues/82#issuecomment-184310872. But we still need some input to finalise it. It would be something along the lines of:
asset
= A resource which has been determined to have positive economic value, is owned or otherwise controlled by a person or organisation, has the disposition to increase the wealth of its owner, and which can be exchanged in an economic system for other assets.
economic valuation process
asset role
, where the asset role
definition would be derived from that of asset, above.This draws from the IFRS definition quoted in Wikipedia:
One of the most widely accepted accounting definitions of asset is the one used by the International Accounting Standards Board.[6] The following is a quotation from the IFRS Framework: "An asset is a resource controlled by the enterprise as a result of past events and from which future economic benefits are expected to flow to the enterprise." This means that:
- The probable present benefit involve a capacity, singly or in combination with other assets, in the case of profit oriented enterprises, to contribute directly or indirectly to future net cash flows, and, in the case of nonprofit organizations, to provide services;
- The entity can control access to the benefit;
- The transaction or event giving rise to the entity's right to, or control of, the benefit has already occurred.
On natural resources:
Definition: Natural resources are natural assets (raw materials) occurring in nature that can be used for economic production or consumption.
Context: The naturally occurring assets that provide use benefits through the provision of raw materials and energy used in economic activity (or that may provide such benefits one day) and that are subject primarily to quantitative depletion through human use. They are subdivided into four categories: mineral and energy resources, soil resources, water resources and biological resources. United Nations, European Commission, International Monetary Fund, Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, World Bank, 2005, Handbook of National Accounting: Integrated Environmental and Economic Accounting 2003, Studies in Methods, Series F, No.61, Rev.1, Glossary, United Nations, New York, para. 7.42, EA.1
This would invert the semantics we are currently discussing: a given asset as a type of resource (see https://github.com/SDG-InterfaceOntology/sdgio/issues/94#issuecomment-187746261). The current semantics make more sense to me, as all resources are not necessarily economic assets, but all economic assets are clearly resources. See #91, which argues that "raw materials" are simply a subset of "natural assets" (they have to be material entities). We can further specify that these must belong to the four categories quoted above.
If the deliberating parties insist on this definition, we'll have to discuss this more to 'decode' the various perspectives around these terms and find out what the underlying semantics are.
We can include the 'official' wording in another annotation property called "official definition" or similar.
Something like:
natural capital
=offontodef "A collection composed of material entities bearing natural asset roles and the environmental services for which they are inputs"
@pbuttigieg Do I have that right?
I will leave it as an editor note until we decide on a strategy.
TO DO : define environmental service
No, we wouldn't be generating the official defs. They would be verbatim from sanctioned docs.
Also, is there a distinction intended between environmental service and ecosystem service? While dealing with those parts of the planet that humans inhabit, these are interchangeable terms (I.e. both class definitions hold)
Do you need me to ask about the difference between environment and ecosystem services?
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:49 AM, Pier Luigi Buttigieg < notifications@github.com> wrote:
No, we wouldn't be generating the official defs. They would be verbatim from sanctioned docs.
Also, is there a distinction intended between environmental service and ecosystem service? While dealing with those parts of the planet that humans inhabit, these are interchangeable terms (I.e. both class definitions hold)
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Yours Sincerely, Priyanka deSouza
@pdez90
Do you need me to ask about the difference between environment and ecosystem services?
Yes, this would be helpful. I see no real difference right now, but there may be some definitional subtlety I'm not familiar with
@mark-jensen To clarify my response above (from a smartphone) https://github.com/SDG-InterfaceOntology/sdgio/issues/94#issuecomment-188639629: This def: natural capital ="A collection composed of material entities bearing natural asset roles and the environmental services for which they are inputs"
Would be the 'normal' ontology definition (except we'd have a defined class for natural asset
to avoid having roles in the text def). There would then be an "official definition" or similar (we wouldn't use abbreviations here) like the ones you found initially https://github.com/SDG-InterfaceOntology/sdgio/issues/94#issue-134623639, assuming they are adopted:
Natural capital comprises Earth’s natural assets (soil, air, water, flora and fauna), and the ecosystem services resulting from them, which make human life possible.
...
the stock of ecosystems that yields a renewable flow of goods and services that underpin the economy and provide inputs and direct and indirect benefits to businesses and society.
We would, of course, indicate where the official def comes from with an AP.
Perhaps of interest for measuring natural capital
There would then be an "official definition" or similar (we wouldn't use abbreviations here) like the ones you found initially #94 (comment), assuming they are adopted:
'official' in the sense of "official UN". Got it. Thus we will have 'UNEP preferred label' and 'official definition' APs. We will need to confirm this works for UNEP and that they understand our reasoning, and then of course decide how this will be implemented in the release version, visualized on the portal.
@pbuttigieg
natural capital
= A collection composed of natural assets and the environmental services for which they are inputs.
How's that? Using 'input' vs 'depend', but that may change intended meaning.
How's that? Using 'input' vs 'depend', but that may change intended meaning.
Yes, I wouldn't do this: the material entity could be any form of participant rather than an input. Removing it could still kill the ecosystem/evolutionary service.
@cmungall would you know of a relation which indicates the dependence of a process on a participant?
@pdez90 Jacquie requested this via email. Can you provide us some context for usage and definition? Or confirm the source below is acceptable.
I found this here
And this from the declaration linked on same page: