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The SDG Sandbox creates a space for the review of data models produced by WP4 - Data semantics, formats and quality - in the context of the preparatory work for the Single Digital Gateway Regulation.
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Birth certificate: Parent Two should be optional #31

Closed guascce closed 3 years ago

guascce commented 4 years ago

Cardinality of parent two should be relaxed . May be Parent One as well to cater for Orphans to change to

sethvanhooland commented 4 years ago

Good comment Cécile, TBD next week!

ibodor commented 3 years ago

Ingrid (FIN): taking this idea further: personOne could be mandatory with a single mandatory element (string) e.g. familyName. In this case orphans would have only parentOne element with a single sub-element: familyName=Unknown. please consider also making parentTwo mandatory with a single mandatory element (to specify that it is too unknown), usually it is better to have some kind of indication about missing data than having null/non-existing elements, which often leaves room for (mis)interpretation.

Another thought: should we check if adoption - though typically documented in another evidence - modifies/adds data to birth certificates retroactively?

cbahim commented 3 years ago

Thanks for your comment Ingrid!

Another thought: should we check if adoption - though typically documented in another evidence - modifies/adds data to birth certificates retroactively?

To be discussed in the next webinar. What could potentially be the modified / added data, from your point of view?

ibodor commented 3 years ago

Ingrid (FIN): this is more of a speculation here: if there are MSs, where e.g. a child's father is marked as "Unknown" originally, the mother gets married and the husband adopts the child: does the original birth certificate get updated? or a "2nd version" gets issued? or the birth certificate never gets updated and the adoption is documented separately? What if the child's name is changed as part of the adoption (family but maybe given names, too)? So basically changes in data of the person itself and potentially also of the parents. Before the person (child) in questions gets his/her first ID card or passport, birth certificate may be the only accepted document EU-wide showing personal data, I believe it would be beneficial to understand and document whether or not the birth certificate is a living document in MSs.

cbahim commented 3 years ago

@ibodor from our understanding, a birth certificate is not a living document and cannot be updated retroactively. Please note that certificates of change of name exist.