Underbog Heroic pre-nerf

[KimmoKM]

"Educated Guess" values have been recorded from Corecraft test server which isn't a primary source (credit for that research goes to NiM and Shiro). However, when I've tried to verify some of their values now and in the past, they've come out pretty much right and in my opinion are preferable to any guessed values and can be used for the time being until primary sources are studied.

It should be noted that Coilfang/Hellfire instance values were recorded with less rigour, such listing damage values as they appeared on Corecraft instead of looking at actual ability behaviour from WDB (and then adjusting it if there's evidence of nerfs) so don't copy them blindly.

Mob	Damage	Health	Mana	Abilities	Immunities	Source	Comments
Underbat	3000-4300	27350	0	Tentacle Lash for 400% damage	?	Educated Guess, 1	Tentacle Lash only hits targets with their back turned to them
Underbog Shambler	4735-6921	21881	6310	Spore Explosion for 2500-3200 and DoT ticking for 450-1000, Allergies, Fungal Regrowth for 7900 heal and 1071 ticks	?	Educated Guess	N/A
Underbog Lurker	1950-2850	27350	0	Wild Growth	?	Educated Guess	N/A
Bog Giant	4544-6426	62245	0	Growth, Fungal Decay for 200/stack, Trample, Enrage	Immune	WoW Bestiary	N/A
Hungarfen	4600-6500	109593	0	Acid Geyser for 2200-2800, Foul Spores for 400-570	Immune	Educated Guess	N/A
Underbog Mushroom	N/A	35000	0	Spore Cloud 1250-1500, stacking DoT ticking 500-550	?	Educated Guess	N/A
Underbog Frenzy	3550-4750	33986	0	Pierce Armor	?	Educated Guess	N/A
Wrathfin Myrmidon	4550-6100	28114	0	Coral Cut ticking 490-750	?	Educated Guess	N/A
Wrathfin Sentry	4500-6270	28114	0	Shield Bash, Strike	?	Educated Guess	N/A
Murkblood Tribesman	2053-2904	28114	0	Dual Wield, Strike for +165-166, Enrage at 30%	?	Bestiary	N/A
Wrathfin Warrior	2245-3050	28114	0	Strike, Shield Bash, Enrage at 30%	?	Educated Guess	N/A
Murkblood Oracle	1320-1900	22488	16155	Shadow Bolt for 1770-2300, Corruption ticking 1100, Frost Nova, Amplify Damage, Elemental Armour, Scorch/Frostbolt/Fireball for unknown damage	?	Educated Guess	N/A
Murkblood Spearman	1347-1914 melee 2585-3445 ranged	22488	3231	Viper Sting for 2876 mana over 8s, Enrage	?	Educated Guess	N/A
Murkblood Healer	1191-1683	22488	16155	Prayer of Healing for 5410-5750, Holy Light for 13900-14700, Renew ticking 1600	?	Bestiary, 1	N/A
Ghaz'an	4182-5914	99630	0	Acid Spit for 1870-2530, stacking Acid Breath for 700 and DoT ticking 170, Tail Sweep for 2025-3375, Enrage at 20%	Immune	Bestiary, 1	N/A
Fen Ray	2080-2663	28114	0	Psychic Horror	?	Educated Guess	N/A
Lykul Wasp	?	20259	0	Poison Spit for 850-1120 and DoT ticking for 90	?	Educated Guess	N/A
Lykul Stinger	3900-5450	39496	0	Stinger Frenzy for 280-330	?	Educated Guess	N/A
Swamplord Musek'ek	2000-2700 ranged, 3200-4000 melee	89224	66180	Dual Wield, Raptor Strike 3900-4600, Knock Away 3200-4200, Multi-Shot, Deterrence, Hunter's Mark, Throw Freezing Trap, Aimed Shot	?	Educated Guess	N/A
Claw	1300-1800	135474	0	Maul for +1000, Echoing Roar, Frenzy	?	Educated Guess	N/A
Underbog Lord	7705-10200	71810	0	Knock Away for melee damage, Grow, Fungal Decay 150/stack	Immune	Educated Guess	Same as Bog Giants, difficult to determine what Growth stack Wowhead comments were based on. CC values seem plausible
The Black Stalker	3909-4111	127505	33090	Levitate, Chain Lightning for 2400-3000, Static Charge ticking 898	Immune	Bestiary	N/A
Spore Strider	?	5600	46374	Lightning Bolt for 850-1080	?	Educated Guess	N/A

[RealZwox]

Bog Giant is prob not Prenerf or wrong. I found some comments on WoWHead

By Bruciato (4,493 – 1·12·29) on 2007/03/11 (Patch 2.0.10) In heroic mode hits for 7.5k on cloths. Base hit damage should be around 9k. Immunity to CC effects are the same of normal dungeon.

By huckzilla (118 – 0) on 2008/06/18 (Patch 2.4.2) I ran Heroic Underbog last night and one of these bad boys took me out in one hit doing 8.9k physical damage. I'm a level 70 Enhancement Shaman (squid-face), had 8.4k hitpoints buffed, and approximately 4.2k armor. At first, I thought I was lagging because it seemed like a delayed response in the action. Next thing I know, I was pushing up daisies.

[KimmoKM]

I also read those comments and was wondering the same thing. However, I did some sanity checking trying to establish the kind of damage tanks could survive when the giants have a few growth stacks (particularly at the double pull for which not all groups had a suitable kiter) and my interpretation of those comments is that posters were hit with several stacks of growth. Bestiary values (I'm sourcing damage values to Bestiary when they're the same as on Corecraft to make them precise, otherwise there's +-3%ish error) are from 2.3 so huckzilla at 2.4.2 most certainly made this mistake, showing it's clearly possible Bruciato made the same one too.

That's of course assuming Bestiary is correct and I know there has been a few instances when it's not, but human error seems more likely interpretation of evidence to me given that there's no patch notes of Giants being nerfed (2.1.0 mentions Underbog Lord being nerfed, however, but that's already respectable 10k with Knock Away and Growth on top of that).

I probably should have had the rigour to do this in the first place but I now checked some retail videos too and here's one from 2.0.10 patch and pre-growth damage seems consistent with Bestiary/Corecraft values at first glance (although it's difficult to see exact numbers in grainy video and unknown tank mitigation).

But thanks for the comment, I've found Corecraft has mistakes and I can make mistakes too so a second pair of eyes is always good to have (and perhaps there WAS an undocumented nerf which you could infer from the video I posted or some even earlier ones).

[RealZwox]

You are right. I didnt calculated the Growth in. A Tank would prob not survive 10k raw + 150% fullstacked.

[RealZwox]

There is something missing on "Ghaz'an". The Initial Damage of Acid Breath :)

[KimmoKM]

Added initial damage for Acid Breath.