Translation issue with message MediaWiki:Srf-paramdesc-carousel-slick-option/qqq

[verdy-p]

URL: https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&showMessage=srf-paramdesc-carousel-slick-option&group=mwgithub-semanticresultformats&language=qqq

See the FIXME added in the documentation of this message. For now the translation is not clear, and the doc is insufficient. This is a new message, so it may still be in beta (just like the carousel visualization widget which has demos in the SMW wiki, but none of them using any "slick option", and none of them for the "table" output format but only for galeries).

These carousel widgets also have other unsolved maintenance issues listed in GitHub (if changes are made, this could alter the behavior or layout, and would require change in the documentation of this feature).

For now it's not clear how to translate "slick", but I suppose this means that it controls whever the carrousel slides smoothly from page to page, or instantly. All existing demos for now seem to use a smooth ("slick"?) sliding behavior by default. But "slick" also has another meaning in English (as a name), and may refer to a layout rather than a sliding behavior.

Other possible layout or behavior (for galleries) would use a freely sliding area (working like a scrollbar, where the content could still be loaded on demand, when it becomes visible, or fully preloaded), instead of using "paged" results. And MediaWiki also featuers its own galleries, that are "playable" in full screen, paged image by image, to show all images used in any page. In-content galleries also feature various layouts (using vertical scrolling if needed, but not requiring any javascript addon). Getting galleries with enhanced layouts or behavior is still a work ni progress, not just in SMW but in Mediawiki in general. It is also sensitive in terms of usability/accessibility, and in terms of cross-browser and cross-device compatibility. Other sites (notably search engines, photo-based social networks, dating sites & apps, but also merchant sites for listing their products) also propose their own layouts and behaviors for showing and navigating across large image galleries.

[kghbln]

@krabina @thomas-topway-it This is about pull https://github.com/SemanticMediaWiki/SemanticResultFormats/pull/730

If you just explain in a short sentence what is slick about the slick option.... I could update the system message docu on twn.

[thomas-topway-it]

Slick is the Javascript library on which the carousel format is based

https://github.com/kenwheeler/slick

all the slick's options are supported using the prefix slick- in parameters, for instance slick-autoplaySpeed

[kghbln]

Thanks, @thomas-topway-it I guess the message could be improved a bit to e.g. "Use 'slick' features to render the results".

@verdy-p 'slick' is a proper name here.

[verdy-p]

This is now clearer. Thanks for improving the doc (and probably you should include a link pointing to the slick documentation, eventually as well in the message to be translated within some "tvar" like "$slick", if it's not just in the "/qqq" page: users of the translated SMW tool may also wonder what it is on how to use it; this way you can change that URL or wikilink later when you'll have your own documentation page on the SMW wiki, with useful examples of integration).

Note that I translated as if the source message was: carousel option for its rendering with "slick" instead of just: carousel slick option

It could also be (as simply): carousel option for its rendering with "$slick" (don't include the quotation marks inside the hidden content tvar as they are language-dependant, but place the displayed proper name in it, as well as its surrounding link or wikilink syntax). A stub wiki page on SMW wiki may already be created, containing some of the existing details (and the link to #730 where it is introduced, and to the official slick site on Github, even if you intend to develop and tests examples later; that stub page should also saying it is in alpha stage and is subject to possible changes. And may be there's a likely plural for the term options in that message)

[kghbln]

I just looked closer at this. To be honest: In general, all system messages belonging to the respective pull are more or less meaningless for translators. If you have not used the result format you will have no clue how to translate. I just translated something based on educated guesses however I am pretty sure... I will create a pull to mitigate this issue.

[verdy-p]

I would have loved to use it, but such commit without any test or demo page me as that such messages are un likely to be useful for now in any translation, even in English. Effectively we have no clue about what they mean as no one knows how such thing can be used, or even if it will be used as is. Such thing intended to be an alpha version to be evaluated is very likely to be changed without having been used, or tested and evaluated. However the way it is described is as new options added in pages that are in production, for its UI and not just as internal technical implémentations details for debogging or support purpose

And there are also different possible options for implementing carousels of images, including those already implemented in MediaWiki for its galeries or when we clic or tap on an image thumbnail in wiki pages. So users are already accustomized to one way, and this merits some reflection to make coherent choices and integration. For now there were some separate gadgets, but starting to integrate one of them to early without making a review of the existant seems prematured when there are also other pending unsolved bugs related to image carousels. One of them being the fact that the previous solution ceased to be supported, and other possilble alternatives have not been evaluated also for their maintenance at longer term: is that the only solution ?

Shouldn't #730 remain in a alpha branch instead of falling directly in the trunk ?

[thomas-topway-it]

hello, I've checked. Sure, the messages in qqq.json related to the new carousel format are unclear or incomplete. As soon as possible I will add some documentation here

https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Carousel_format

and in the same time I will update the qqq messages. best