Shavian-info / readlex

The Read Lexicon: a spelling dictionary for the Shavian alphabet following the rhotic Received Pronunciation standard.
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"again" #28

Closed trosel closed 1 year ago

trosel commented 1 year ago

"Again" is currently listed as "π‘©π‘œπ‘±π‘―". It seems like it should be one of those words that shows multiple pronunciations.

Even in the UK it seems as though π‘©π‘œπ‘§π‘― has become the more common pronunciation.

Shavian-info commented 1 year ago

Yes, there's probably a good case to prioritise π‘©π‘œπ‘§π‘― for mutual intelligibility. I've hesitated because Androcles clearly uses π‘©π‘œπ‘±π‘― and I wondered if this fit under the 'favour the strong pronunciation' principle set out Androcles. On review, I suspect it doesn't since π‘©π‘œπ‘§π‘― and π‘©π‘œπ‘±π‘― are alternative pronunciations that aren't dependent on the overall stress pattern of a sentence. So I'll think about this.

trosel commented 1 year ago

the 'favour the strong pronunciation' principle set out Androcles

can you say more about what this is?

Shavian-info commented 1 year ago

The vowels in some common words are often reduced when used in sentences, e.g. π‘žπ‘¨π‘‘ becomes π‘žπ‘©π‘‘, 𐑸 becomes 𐑼, etc. Shavian analyses pronunciation at the word-by-word level, not the sentence level, so gives these common words their fuller pronunciation. Note, this isn't about sounding at words at a syllable-by-syllable level which would give very artificial pronunciations. You can read more in Androcles 'notes on spelling', principle 2.

trosel commented 1 year ago

Maybe that is why β€œwhat” is spelled 𐑒π‘ͺ𐑑 instead of 𐑒𐑳𐑑

edit: no that is not one of those situations

Shavian-info commented 1 year ago

Okay, I've changed 'again' and 'against' to default to π‘©π‘œπ‘§π‘― and π‘©π‘œπ‘§π‘―π‘•π‘‘, given these now appear to be the most common pronunciations in both RP and GA.