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The Read Lexicon: a spelling dictionary for the Shavian alphabet following the rhotic Received Pronunciation standard.
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Why was the spelling of "july" changed? #3

Closed trosel closed 2 years ago

trosel commented 2 years ago

July has been changed from 𐑑𐑫𐑀𐑲 to 𐑑𐑡𐑀𐑲

Pronouncing this word as "jooly" seems to strangely stress the first syllable whereas I have always heard the (albeit small) stress on the last syllable. And I have never heard a dialect that pronounces the "oo" sound so clearly in the first syllable, but I am open to hearing such a pronunciation in regular speech. Perhaps I've heard it said that way in a joking manner when trying to be very clear.

Given this change below:

β€œTogether, today” etc., are spelt with 𐑑𐑩-

I would have assumed that July would be either 𐑑𐑫𐑀𐑲 or even 𐑑𐑩𐑀𐑲

Shavian-info commented 2 years ago

It is spelled 𐑑𐑩𐑀𐑲 in the ReadLex if you take a look. The web site is a bit out of date and reflected an earlier approach of using the Oxford Advanced Learners' Dictionary as the reference - this has /dΚ’ulaΙͺ/ as the pronunciation. I now follow the pronunciations in the Cambridge Dictionary of English Pronunciation.

mwgamera commented 2 years ago

The lexicon here has 𐑑𐑩𐑀𐑲 for "July" which is probably the most appropriate, but it also inconsistently gives 𐑑𐑡𐑀𐑲 for "Jul". This probably should be fixed.

As a random curiosity let me mention that according to the Century Dictionary it used to be 𐑑𐑡𐑀𐑦 with the accent on the first syllable as in Julia or Julian.

trosel commented 2 years ago

Thank you both for the info!

but it also inconsistently gives 𐑑𐑡𐑀𐑲 for "Jul".

@mwgamera Im not sure what the word β€œjul” is, but I do think it’s incorrect in most cases to have a CVC word with a 𐑩. In most cases it would be a different vowel because β€œago” is never stressed.

Shavian-info commented 2 years ago

I have corrected the spelling of the abbreviation 'Jul'. Thanks for pointing that out.